[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1077197]Can you use that in competition? 
And that is a signature dish of basic Wing Chun imho! I like to follow this with our low side kick to the inside of the other knee while covering the top with quansau 
Something for the MMA crowds to think about.[/QUOTE]
Can you use it?
Yes of course, where low kicks are legal.
I have and with some degree of effectiveness, but it is a kick that truly lends itself to shoes/boots, the difference is quite astounding.
It has nothing to do with snapping or breaking a bone or joint, though that should be the “intent” be hind it.
Just like hooking the ribs or right cross to the jaw has nothing to do with breaking those parts, though that should be the intent.
[QUOTE=Vajramusti;1077227]That will only bring about a MMA response? Why say that?[/QUOTE]
I was in a confrontational mood lasy night Joy! But I’m sure most guys here will be fine with the comment, MMA peeps or not.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1077227]Can you use it?[/QUOTE]
I would like to think so, but I’m pretty out of shape at the moment. :o
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1077227]I have and with some degree of effectiveness, but it is a kick that truly lends itself to shoes/boots, the difference is quite astounding.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. Nothing like a pair of British DMs to add weaponry to the feet
[QUOTE=chusauli;1077139]The ones that land and shut off an opponent’s delivery base are the best techniques.[/QUOTE]
You and your logic…
[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1077197]Can you use that in competition? And that is a signature dish of basic Wing Chun imho! I like to follow this with our low side kick to the inside of the other knee while covering the top with quansau
Something for the MMA crowds to think about.[/QUOTE]
Using leg kicks while covering passively with both hands/arms? On the inside?
Not a signature of VT IMO.
The MMA guys would say something like this: “Yes of course you do…”
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;1077330]You and your logic…:D[/QUOTE]
That’s what WCK did to me.
Yip Man’s secret was that WCK made him smarter.
[QUOTE=YungChun;1077342]Using leg kicks while covering passively with both hands/arms? On the inside?
Not a signature of VT IMO.[/QUOTE]
Quansau with a low side kick is not signature of Wing Chun? I beg to differ.
Having/holding posture while applying legwork is a must imo, as each posture compliments the leg. Some work better than others imo and may be a reason that a kicking set/form was developed, to express this idea.
[QUOTE=YungChun;1077342]The MMA guys would say something like this: “Yes of course you do…”[/QUOTE]
And I would listen to MMA guys tell me about my Wing Chun because… ?
One of my favor WC technique that I like is similiar to the Taiji “cross leg - reverse side kick”. Instead of kicking 45 degree into your opponent’s knee, you use the inside of your foot edge to slide down along your opponent’s shin bone.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1077263]… but it is a kick that truly lends itself to shoes/boots, the difference is quite astounding.[/QUOTE]
Indeed
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[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1077396]Quansau with a low side kick is not signature of Wing Chun? I beg to differ.
Having/holding posture while applying legwork is a must imo, as each posture compliments the leg. Some work better than others imo and may be a reason that a kicking set/form was developed, to express this idea.
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The posture compliments the leg… Well it depends on how she moves I guess…
In VT if we are in close we will be using our tools to break him down and strike him while we use our legs not simply covering…
The invisible kick, when we kick we have three legs on the ground, etc… That’s VT.
[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1077396]
And I would listen to MMA guys tell me about my Wing Chun because… ?
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If you were sparring with them I am sure they could tell you all kinds of useful things… Sadly not the case… But in any event you brought it up.
[QUOTE=YungChun;1077495]The posture compliments the leg… Well it depends on how she moves I guess…
In VT if we are in close we will be using our tools to break him down and strike him while we use our legs not simply covering…
The invisible kick, when we kick we have three legs on the ground, etc… That’s VT.[/QUOTE]
Man, what is your issue with my posts these days? 
I simply responded to sanjuro’s fav tech and you jump on my use of quansau and how MMA guys would just dismiss the idea and now you’re trying to teach me what your VT is??!! I applaud your enthusiasm for your VT, but it’s pretty obvious we’re on different sides of the coin.
[QUOTE=YungChun;1077495]If you were sparring with them I am sure they could tell you all kinds of useful things… Sadly not the case… But in any event you brought it up.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, but if and when I do spar there definitely is no talking. You threw the MMA towel at me because you took the bait Joy identified, but hey! Each to their own.
No one for a wing chun version of monkey steals peaches?
Would that be a variation of/combo with “gwai ma” (kneeling horse)?
That’ll be Gwaima Biusau Cum Na Sik!!! With a roll off to finish…
Drum roll or bacon roll? 
Must be lunchtime if I’m posting about food.
Bacon every time dude. But that’s breakfast! Lunchtime is for wimps
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That will only bring about a MMA response? Why say that?
joy chaudhuri[/QUOTE]
i would just like to point out that no one from the MMA crowd took the bait…although that still didnt stop people argueing about MMA on this thread
Arguments about MMA?? You must be reading a different thread 
Just a difference of opinion between me and Yung Chun, who seems to approach his training with mainly sparring in mind. No biggie
[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1077744]Arguments about MMA?? You must be reading a different thread
Just a difference of opinion between me and Yung Chun, who seems to approach his training with mainly sparring in mind. No biggie[/QUOTE]
In my lineage everything is a precursor to sparring. Sparring with the hands, with the long pole and with the knives. This is very important!!! Without it you have a system that cannot function under pressure. Prove me otherwise!!!
There are certain systems of WC that put more emphasis on forms and tradition but from my experience its the same as driving a car on the PS3 then thinkng you can drive a real car on the roads!!!
End of!!
GH
MMA has it’s own forum..except for Lone Tiger’s comment there has been little discussion of mma on this thread - if memory serves.
joy chaudhuri