Hello
Does enybody seen a video by her, have taken classes with her or seen her show her art. If so I would like to hear you opinion.
Luis Fernando Espinosa Ceja
Even if I die they will not have my obidience
Bienvenidos!!!
Esta bien saber que hay estudiantes all en Mexico. Soy guero, pero mi esposa es de Michoacan. Cuidado, hay muchos mensos aqui y mas brutos. Hay mucha gente que piensan que ellos, y solamento ellos tienen la verdad. Crean que hay solo un verdad y si no piens como ellos, eres cabron.
Toadavia, es muy divirtido aqui y hay gente aqui que “Saben”. La parte lo mas divertido es fijar en quien sabe y quien piensa que sabe.
No se la nombre de este mujer. Ensena alla en Mexico??
Otra vez, bienvinidos
El guero
You may take my life, but you will never take my Freedom
Wen Mei Yu teaches Wu style in LA. I’ve seen a few of her tapes. She does not really compare well to the other students of Ma that I’ve seen, but she’s good at self promotion. She does not teach in Mexico, Water Dragon.
desde Mexico hola
Que buena onda que haya gente que pienese asi, neta que llevo un tiempo viendo este site y a veces me desespera como se critican uno a otro. Fijate que aqui en Mexico esta un tanto dificil conseguir un buen maestro porque la chalataneria abunda bastante. Logre estudiar Shao-lin pero mis estudios en artes marciales internas (taiji quan estilo chen y yang) ha sido dificilisimas. Porque a cada rato leo algo sobre un forma que desconozco y que supuestamente es super secreta y nadie mas que un maestro que esta miles de millas me la puede esplicar, pero en fin ahi le sigo hechando ganas. Por cierto tu que estudias???
Dear Shin
Why do you say she doesnt compare to other Ma students is her form structure incorrect or lacking in knowledge of aplication. Would you recomend her videos to a beginer.
hola
Que buena onda que haya gente que pienese asi, neta que llevo un tiempo viendo este site y a veces me desespera como se critican uno a otro. Fijate que aqui en Mexico esta un tanto dificil conseguir un buen maestro porque la chalataneria abunda bastante. Logre estudiar Shao-lin pero mis estudios en artes marciales internas (taiji quan estilo chen y yang) ha sido dificilisimas. Porque a cada rato leo algo sobre un forma que desconozco y que supuestamente es super secreta y nadie mas que un maestro que esta miles de millas me la puede esplicar, pero en fin ahi le sigo hechando ganas. Por cierto tu que estudias???
Dear Shin
Why do you say she doesnt compare to other Ma students is her form structure incorrect or lacking in knowledge of aplication. Would you recomend her videos to a beginer.
Hmm
My opinion is strictly subjective, naturally. I found that her form seemed to lack some of the crispness and intensity I’d seen in other Wu students. Part of this might be because Ma and Wu Ying Hua changed the forms they taught in small ways later in life, that take away from their ferocity/martial power. I believe she’s from the later group of students.
As for them being good for a beginner, I’d recommend them over Wang Hao Da’s, but I’d only do it if you have a solid taiji background. The spanish portion of your posts indicate that it’s difficult of find quality internal teachers in Mexico.
BTW, you can post to me in spanish, but I will reply in english for the benefit of the other readers. Though the Brazilians, and Felipe should also do fine.
[This message was edited by Shin on 10-06-01 at 08:50 PM.]
Water Dragon
That was a “saucy, crispy” spanish! 
Hey, Shaolin White Crane. Bienvenido al foro. ¡Que lo disfrutes!
-When it comes my turn…will you want me to go?
-For Democracy any man’d give his only begotten son.
Felipe
LOL @ mi lengua. That’s Chicago Spanish. It’s a mix of Mexicano/Boricua with a hint of Spanglish. I really do need to brush up. I haven’t used it much since we’ve moved out da hood. That and mis suegros moved back to Mexico. Of course, it’s a little harder too when it’s not you first language.
Oh well, todavia puedo ir a la taqueria por lal buenos tequilas. Puedo ordenar los buenos tacos. Y lo mas importante, puedo preguntar por donde esta el bano cuando empieza el fuego!!!
You may take my life, but you will never take my Freedom
Don’t assume that because Yu Wenmei’s form is lacking something that this is the way Ma Yuehlinag and Wu Yinghua taught it. There is more (or less depending upon where you stand) to that story.
hi again
Ive decided to write in english so everyone can read this poast. But lets get in the matter at hand. Some good points have come out of the answer you have given to me. You mean that Ma change the form, is this like the changes Yang Cheng fu made to the old style, thit they remove or simplyfied movements in order to make easier to learn. Or did they just take movements to give us westeners a water down version of the art. Now that I have brougth that up does some one have direct expirience in the older version of wu or yang style Taijiquan, I did a post a couple of moths ago but I would like to hear your opinions and expiriences.
Sorry about my horrible english writing
Nos vemos
Luis Fernando Espinosa Ceja
The truly wise know other and dont care if other know them
Watered down
It’s my understanding that after a certain point Ma watered down the form he taught publicly. After that point, he only taught the full original forms to direct family, and the woman he adopted, who lives in New Zealand. It’s still a strong form, even watered down, though and a number of people have skills developed from just the modified forms.
This includes the fast form that he taught publicly, which differs from the fast form he taught to family and the woman in NZ, as well as those he taught prior to the change.
It is my understanding this change took place in the 70’s, though I can’t pin down when exactly. The cause seems to lie, in part with the cultural revolution.
Watered down
Shin,
Just so I understand clearly what you are saying: could you define “watered down” in the context of the famous photos of Wu Chian Chuan performing the long form. Are you saying that after the 70s Ma did not pass on this form to outside students?
Thanks.
Ma did teach the long form after the 70’s, that is clear. I can not compare the form ma taught after to the pics of WJQ that you are referring to, because those are stills, of movements in both forms. There is a high degree of similarity between the two, so the best way I can describe is is that the jings have been taken out. Both forms have brush knee, both have the kicks, etc, but how they are performed internally differs, and in some cases externally as well.