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the 0/100 guy is already half way to the floor!!! I sweep out legs from guy’s in pretty much every class!!!
Red5angel
>> You can get around the 50/50 need to shift back by stepping forward but what happens if you dont want to go forward, or cant? <<
I always want to go forward when I kick. Why wouldnt I be able to go forward?
In my 50/50 based style we train deliberately to not telegraph by thrusting off the back leg, and not c0cking the kicking leg at all. The foot travels straight from the floor to the target. You may not be able to appreciate it, having not studied this way, but it works, and if you train it a lot, it works well.
>> Not only that but often for you to kick and move forward it becomes telegraphed. <<
No, it doesnt. When you learn how to do it effectively.
>> On top of all that, if I am sensitive enough, I can attack that 50% front leg and it gives me all the resistance I need with its weight bearing, to do some damage… <<
If you are at the range where you can kick me, I wont necessarily have a front leg, I will more likely be square on so I can move in which ever direction I require.
Plus, the same argument can be applied to your 100% weight bearing leg, but even more so, because once your only means of support is gone, your root has totally gone. I attack the 100% back leg and “it gives me all the resistance I need with its weight bearing, to do some damage..”
So, in fact, it could be argued that this reliance on one leg makes you even more vulnerable.
right on frank e
I think the 0\100 guy’s like ending up on their backsides!!!
RED5-having read your posts in this line the problem you are having with 50/50 vs back leg weight and kicking is simple.You dont understand how to kick! You do not ever never ever never lean back in any way shape or form(tiger tail/side kick can be exception depending on how you use it).You sink into the non kicking leg you do not lean whether 50/50 or 0/100.and isnt all kicking 0/100?
Rene-thanks I had heard that some use the front stance.Do they root the front leg like a chen taichi player? which I feel is really the back leg in transition. I have seen the knife form you speak of I believe that comes from a personal interpretation and maybe to much Bruce Lee/fencing/sword influence;)
Frank Exchange, I have worked with both types of stances and find the 100/0 much more comfortable, and atleast for me it was pretty much intuitive.
Of course you almost always want to go forward, but not all of the time. With 100/0 you have the option.
The argument only works for 100/0 if you decide to ignore the arms and other leg that is in your way to get to the back leg. Of course there is the posibility you can slip around me but again, that is an eventuality you train for as well.
Hey, if it works well for you, then great. There are pros and cons to each approach, but for me the 50/50 pros far outweigh the cons. In fact, I have not seen a solid “con” yet.
Can you think of a situation where you would not want to go forward when you kick?
Cant think of a reason for not wanting to go forward at the moment, but how about when you cant?
I just think that if you have weight on one leg and you kick with that same leg, you root on the other leg AS you pick up your foot from the floor and kick. Not first you shift weight, then you kick. We do coc.k a little sometimes to increase power, some may not. But the point is it’s all one motion and just as fast as a kick off of a 0-weighted leg. Incidentally, a 0/100 person must shift his weight too, he must shift it forward so as to drive forward the kick. You are rooted through the other leg (your connection to the ground) but your weight isn’t directly over it, you’d push yourself backwards, you have some momentum forward and if you whiff on the kick you it would turn into a step forward. You should never whiff on a kick, BTW, this isn’t TKD, we don’t use our kicks as feelers. Anyway, most of my kicks are done off of the exchange step like we are taught in the kicking section of Chum Kiu, to which the above discussion doesn’t really apply, except that we actually strive to create forward momentum here.
P.S. We train 60-40 back/front. But my Sifu emphasizes that your weight is constantly shifting, and we have some advancing WC footwork drills that really teach you how to step with your hand techniques.
Fa_jing - right you are but to do that you still have to shift, whether your leg is coming up at the same time is irrelevant if it still takes more time and more energy, even a little bit more.
Originally posted by red5angel
Not only that but often for you to kick and move forward it becomes telegraphed.
Telegraphing is not a positioning issue, but a body synergism issue.
Enterthe Whip - I think I see what you are getting at, can you explain a little bit so I can make sure I am understanding you?
You tell me what you think you understand, and I’ll let you know if you’re right.
By body synergy I imagine you mean the control and timing you get with practice, or body unity as I call it. If I get you right you are saying that with this, it all moves as one and there is no need for shifting, or better yet, that the shifting as well as the kick are all in one and so no telegraphing?
Thats the short version anyway…
No 0/100 or 50/50 things are absolute.When you have to move,angle,step,whatever,you have to shift your weight and there is always some tiny little moment when you can’t use a leg in offense or defense…Unless you just stand there with a empty leg ,waiting to intercept,kick or get a good one in your supporting leg!
Everybody is 0/100 at some moment and 50/50 at some other. we all even are 27/73 sometimes! Why?..Because we move around in real life and we have to be active in Wing Chun and not only reactive as a one leg rigid stance or weight distribution would force us to be. It is easy to do that in stationary chi sau when just standing there but try this moving around!..
Honestly, I know that I have to shift my 50/50 base to something else to move or do many things as I had to alter my 0/100 stance I used before for the same reasons.Saying otherwise is just plain nonsense.