WCK and White Crane of Fujian connection

[QUOTE=Paddington;1181195]Is Hendrik actually any good at wing chun? Has anyone chi sau’ed with him? [/QUOTE]

I know Chi Sim grandmaster touched hands with Hendrik. Might ask Hendrik how that went and what his impression was. :wink:

[QUOTE=JPinAZ;1181268]And has absolutely nothing to do with WCK.

Can you explain how comparring a simple picture of a statue to a video YOU made up along with and article Jim wrote a few years ago somehow proves a ‘fact’ that WCK came from white crane?

BTW, since someone brought up meeting with you, I am out your way twice a year and would like to come visit - wouldn’t cost me a dime extra so you don’t have to worry about the money. Will you accept my invite to meet?[/QUOTE]

  1. The details has been explain above. There is no need to further repeat.

  2. No interest in meeting you. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Hendrik;1181225]Save your money, I am not interested in your idea, there are already many people who visit this forum haved visited me .[/QUOTE]

Interesting, as previously you indicated you were open to the idea of rolling together. Never mind, eh?

[QUOTE=Paddington;1181285]Interesting, as previously you indicated you were open to the idea of rolling together. Never mind, eh?[/QUOTE]

Your goal changes , my mind changes. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Hendrik;1180891]Thus, by evidences, across the Red Boat related WCK lineages, we know the Fujian Crane and Emei snake connection are solid facts.[/QUOTE]

I cannot say I disagree with your conclusions. I am sure there was lots of sharing of information between martial artists. The fact that there is resemblance to me has to be more than a coincidence.

Throwing a punch like a cross or hook probably can be found in a lot of different fighting systems. That does not mean that the systems are related or influenced by one another. Wing Chun, being that it is designed to comply with the machanics of the human body can probably be compared with a few techniques from other systems as well. This does not actually make them related or influenced by one another. I do not think white crane or anything else is related or connected to WCK in any way. It is a system designed by military fighting men for efficiency and effectiveness, and that can be taught and learned quickly and easily by large numbers of men, such as an army. White crane and others were the ideas of peasants and other individuals that were not really knowledgable about certain human factors, and so believed emulating animals would enhance their fighting abilities. Pure foolishness.

[QUOTE=Lee Chiang Po;1181373]Throwing a punch like a cross or hook probably can be found in a lot of different fighting systems. That does not mean that the systems are related or influenced by one another. Wing Chun, being that it is designed to comply with the machanics of the human body can probably be compared with a few techniques from other systems as well. This does not actually make them related or influenced by one another. [/QUOTE]

Agreed, I see similarities between Ving Tsun and many arts. I def think it is a bit biased for someone to focus on a few techniques in one art and think of them being connected to Ving Tsun when the same can be said for many other arts that also share similarities.

For example, perhaps this is not the same w/ all of their styles, but the Buka Jalan Silat and Penjat silat I train is so similar to Ving Tsun that I almost see Ving Tsun and Silat as two different ways of applying the same style.

[QUOTE=EternalSpring;1181389]. I def think it is a bit biased for someone to focus on a few techniques in one art and think of them being connected to Ving Tsun…[/QUOTE]

Agreed. This type of thinking is very low level understanding about what WCK is (or isn’t). WCK is not the techniques. Comparing a few techniques between arts and then claiming they are proof of ‘fact’ as which came from which shows a real lack of knowledge for what WCK is really about.

Originally Posted by Hendrik

  1. The details has been explain above. There is no need to further repeat.

That’s not true!
You always repeat yourself.

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Originally Posted by Hendrik

  1. No interest in meeting you. Thanks.

Why not? Without meeting Paddington and JPinAZ, just keep talking to yourself in your own room. Then, how could you truly present yourself well in public? This is the time to pop the question, make a pitch, or stake out new territory. Forget your living room, and that may open a new door for you.

[QUOTE=Hendrik;1181273]2. No interest in meeting you. Thanks.[/QUOTE]

Figured this would be your response. Not interested in sharing your art with those that want to come see it? Ok then.. :rolleyes:
(sorry, but your long-winded videos with you moving your hands around in the air like a magician doesn’t cut it)

[QUOTE=JPinAZ;1181268]Will you accept my invite to meet?[/QUOTE]
If any of your guys drive by the Dinosaur Cave Park, Pismo Beach, California when HW 101 meet HW 1,

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/7516/dcpark.jpg

you will find a Chinaman “moves his hands around in the air like a magician”. That will be me. You can find me training in that small circle at 0.28 and 3.09 in the following clip. Please stop by and say hello.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs058egqIS8