watching wing chun on youtube

[QUOTE=Vajramusti;791330]Someone sez"Never seen a Wing Chun school train even a 1/4th as hard as your average joe boxer.
Unless it’s a really ****ty boxing school! ".

You may not have seen everything. There are folks in HK and Macao who train pretty hard when they enter full contact matches in Asia.
But not everyone is glued to monitor screens and Youtube.

joy chaudhuri[/QUOTE]

There are exceptions to every rule, but there really is no denying the ridiculously poor state of martial arts in America. Finding a teacher who knows what he’s talking about is hard enough, and that is enough for me.. because I can literally list fifty schools in cali that I’ve personally been to and talked with the instructor/tried out, that don’t even have that.

Obviously there are schools that train hard.
But how many are there out there? Seriously? It’s even hard finding a Boxing or MMA trainer anymore who will train you properly.

[QUOTE=JGTevo;791567]There are exceptions to every rule, but there really is no denying the ridiculously poor state of martial arts in America. Finding a teacher who knows what he’s talking about is hard enough, and that is enough for me.. because I can literally list fifty schools in cali that I’ve personally been to and talked with the instructor/tried out, that don’t even have that.

Obviously there are schools that train hard.
But how many are there out there? Seriously? It’s even hard finding a Boxing or MMA trainer anymore who will train you properly.[/QUOTE]

Dude, any time there is money to be made, there will be low quality, no matter what the product or service will be. People are gulible when they do little research in what they want to spend their money on. There are sh!tty Muay Thai clubs in Thailand, just like there are sh!tty Kung Fu schools in China, it’s no different here in North America. I would have to say one of the best spots for Martial Arts in North America is LA, they have everything there, and the quality is high, but I think it is also fair to say there are good to great Martial Artist in all sorts of places. My first Wing Chun instructor began where I am now, in the middle of nowhere, but he was one of the best Martial Artists I and plenty of others have ever seen. He trained like a pro, and in his prime was quite the fighter, even though he avoided it at all costs (the delemma of being in a rock band, with drunkin band mates).

James

Obviously I agree with the assumption that the profitability of martial arts schools, factor into this. Also it is an extremely “easy” “career” to get into. Walk into a TKD school, walk out with a black belt. Study a few years at your normal kung fu school from age 16 to 20, and suddenly you’re a qualified teacher.

Jack Dempsey is the most recent person in my mind, as I sit here reading his book on Boxing, who made this claim that the popularity of boxing(this is in the 1950’s, when he wrote this, mind you) created a large number of so-called “Instructors” and so-called “experts” who didn’t really know anything.

The problem is that, regardless of instructor or school, the expectation from a normal practictioner who does not compete actively, is far below that of one who does.

As for LA being one of the best spots.. it’s also one of the worst. We’ve got Hawkins Cheung, Robert Chu, Gary Lam, Tom Wong for Wing Chun, they’re amazing. But then we’ve got Todd Tei in burbank. ugh. Lets see, cruise along Ventura blvd from studio city to woodland hills and you’ve got… a TKD/Capoeira school, a failing Traditional Wing Chun school, Billy Blanks Tae Bo, another TKD school, a United Studios of Self-Defense School(GAH), Wutang mountain(korean tai chi FTW??), a decent Kenpo school, and a few boxing clubs.

I’ve been to all of those, met with all of their instructors and seen what they’ve had to offer. I’ve been friends with students of those schools and seen their usual level of training and understanding and honestly, I would be embarrassed to say I was a student of theirs.

Unfortunately the good places are really hard to find out here because the bad places outnumber them 30 or 40 to 1.

My original point though, was that even among the best Kung Fu schools out here… they don’t train like fighters. Thats not to say that they NEED to, everyone goes into it with different goals, and putting everyone through hardcore fight training would leave only the people who have the willpower to withstand that. Most of these people never even get into fights. I’ve seen people who train Wing chun like a professional fighter, just haven’t been to a Wing chun school that does.

And like I said, thats okay. It’s good enough to find an instructor who knows what they’re talking about… and to truly be trained properly there needs to be constant one-on-one interaction. A Fighter needs to be personally developed by his mentor(sifu) and himself. Group classes don’t cut it. It doesn’t make logical sense that a group of people can train at the same pace that a single person can, because each individual has their own level that they need to constantly build on.

While I think you have a point I also think that every school that claims to teach fighters, need to have atleast a group training hard core.
Many bigger schools I have seen are divided that way, so you have classes for mr joe average, but also the possibility to train hard in preparation of actual combat.

JGTevo,

I’m down in Silverlake off the 2,5, and 101. I train escrima and WT and have a couple of guys training with me in a garage. My workout blog is up on the S&C site. If you’re interested drop me a pm and I can kick you my cell number so we can talk.

Andrew

Jack Dempsey is the most recent person in my mind, as I sit here reading his book on Boxing, who made this claim that the popularity of boxing(this is in the 1950’s, when he wrote this, mind you) created a large number of so-called “Instructors” and so-called “experts” who didn’t really know anything.

Johnny come latelies.

Miyamoto Mushashi wrote much the same thing in the 1600s.

Definitely Andrew. My car is currently in the shop so after it’s done I’d be interested in coming to train with you.