northern fighting stance is often taught as a double punch or a snappy backfist. you can never figure it out by yourself. ever
if you want to use your kung fu style for fighting you need to look for the boxing poems. trust me
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;1121212]no one who fights expects it to be pretty
but if you look at Wu Kung Yi vs Chan Hak Fu, you have to say “these masters look worse than the beginners in their basic sparring class”
Having known Chan Hak Fu through CTS, we know that he relied totally on forms and the idea of “deadly” prior to the fight but instituted sparring with gloves afterwards[/QUOTE]
I’m not familiar with those guys, but even today a lot of guys train traditional arts in the wrong manner. They rely totally on forms and have no idea how to translate that into fighting, because they don’t drill with partners or spar under good instruction.
I’ve seen plenty of traditionalist “masters” in China who perform their forms very well, but spar like 1st day beginners…
But my only point is that it’s wrong to assume TCMA must look like the forms in application, and not like kickboxing. Or that if it looks like kickboxing then it’s not good and the fighter doesn’t really know how to use their art.
As stated, a lot of applications of traditional moves in ancient Shaolin forms are what make up Sanda throws today. Only Sanda discarded the forms training, and just trains the applications.
fuk shaolin. they teach seven stars as a double punch. they ruin peoples fighting skills on purpose.
[QUOTE=LFJ;1121422] then it’s not good and the fighter doesn’t really know how to use their art.
As stated, a lot of applications of traditional moves in ancient Shaolin forms are what make up Sanda throws today. Only Sanda discarded the forms training, and just trains the applications.[/QUOTE]
songshan shaolin sucks balls.
sanda throws do not come from shaolin ,that is rediculous bullsh1t.
[QUOTE=bawang;1121427]songshan shaolin sucks balls.
sanda throws do not come from shaolin ,that is rediculous bullsh1t.[/QUOTE]
I liked your original observation regarding the teaching of qi xing better.
[QUOTE=bawang;1121427]sanda throws do not come from shaolin ,that is rediculous bullsh1t.[/QUOTE]
Not if you don’t know either.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rLrBPEzy4U
1:10 is actually supposed to be a fighting stance, i dont know how shi deyang can keeps a straight face doing all those wacky applications
[QUOTE=LFJ;1121433]Not if you don’t know either.[/QUOTE]
of course i fukin know. they came from shuai jiao. all the terms in sanda are made up, or borrowed from shuai jiao and western boxing.
[QUOTE=bawang;1121434]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rLrBPEzy4U
1:10 is actually supposed to be a fighting stance, i dont know how shi deyang can keeps a straight face doing all those wacky applications[/quote]
Those are obviously not the real applications… :rolleyes:
of course i fukin know. they came from shuai jiao. all the terms in sanda are made up, or borrowed from shuai jiao and western boxing.
Sanda does various throws against kicks. Neither Shuaijiao nor western boxing have kicking.
If you think Sanda came from western boxing then I don’t know what to say to you. Read some history books maybe. 
[QUOTE=LFJ;1121436] Read some history books maybe. [/QUOTE]
if you think werid wrist grabbling then a double push is an application for one of the most common fighting stances of chinese martial arts, you need to smear mayonaise on your nipples and lie down in a sewer, and take youur own advice and read some books in the meantime
and evolve as a marital artist.
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Sanda does various throws against kicks. Neither Shuaijiao nor western boxing have kicking.
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if you think shuaijiao dont have leg catches, you should bungee jump from your penus, and then actually learn more about shuai jiao in order to expand your knowledge.
Didn’t I say that obviously wasn’t the real application?
It’s not a fighting stance either.
It’s an ankle and foot trap, where the flat foot hooks behind the opponent’s leg and pushes with the knee to straighten the opponent’s knee and knock them down, meanwhile sinking into them with the forearms. As they fall the nail step stomps on the same foot of the opponent so the toes don’t raise as they fall back, which breaks the ankle and foot.
It’s the same movement as Chen Style Taijiquan’s “six sealing four closing” posture, which is also followed by “single whip” just like the Shaolin forms it came from.
that application is even more convoluted and stupid than the last one.
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It’s the same movement as Chen Style Taijiquan’s “six sealing four closing” posture[/QUOTE]
it shows that chen style and shaolin both hide and distort the same techniques, showing an extremely close link.
chen style not only obscures seven stars, it obscures every single other fighting stance in the forms. ask a tai chi guy to show you his traditional fighting stance. hilarity ensues.
[QUOTE=bawang;1121462]that application is even more convoluted and stupid than the last one.[/quote]
It’s actually extremely simple, easy to apply, fast and effective.
chen style not only obscures seven stars, it obscures every single other fighting stance in the forms. ask a tai chi guy to show you his traditional fighting stance. hilarity ensues.
The fact that you would use Dingbu Qixing as your fighting stance is pretty hilarious already. 
hey einstein, its not even supposed to be in a dingbu. your one of them shaolin baldies and dont know the concept of seven stars, i am not going to explain it to you.
You said the posture (Dingbu Qixing) was supposed to be a fighting stance. Now that you see the ridiculousness of that, you change the entire stance.
It has been that way for thousands of years in hundreds of styles, because of the application the Dingbu represents. Not because they are doing their “fighting stance” wrong.
usually i would patiently explain to someone, but because you are a shaolin bald donkey, no. after so many years and not understanding the beginner concept of a basic fighting stance is rediculous. you are an example of why kung fu people cant fight.
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As stated, a lot of applications of traditional moves in ancient Shaolin forms are what make up Sanda throws today. [/QUOTE]
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There are plenty of non Chinese throws in modern san da
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Even of the Chinese ones, most are not “shaolin” - there is even a question whether the term really means anything - so much “shaolin” is just martial arts from outside which was adopted by the “monks”
[QUOTE=LFJ;1121436]
Sanda does various throws against kicks. Neither Shuaijiao nor western boxing have kicking.
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ALL TCMA have catches vs kicks. It doesn’t come from “shaolin” - you’ve read to much martial fiction
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If you think Sanda came from western boxing then I don’t know what to say to you. Read some history books maybe. [/QUOTE]
I have the very first “sanshou” (san da) book ever published to non military in China, from 1956. It says that western boxing is a big influence on san da, so I don’t know what to say to you, read the books again maybe
To me, Chinese Long Fist (especially the Moslem ones) look like crappy kick boxing, with some Chin na and Shuai Jiao mixed in.
To me, San Da looks like Long Fist, with better Kickboxing…
the muslims train longfist for performance and actually fight with shuai jiao.
kung fu IS crappy kickboxing of the lowest amateur level. the last traditional lei tai competition was over 500 years ago.