i hope Le wins with sidekick tko just to make you cry!!! :mad:
[QUOTE=Lucas;1177719]i hope Le wins with sidekick tko just to make you cry!!! :mad:[/QUOTE]
Lucas, I will squash you like a grape.
If Sonnen wins…this is what we may see
Well I probably won’t buy another PPV…
Most of the main card fights were very lack luster, until Griffin vs Ortiz…completely solid fight! Great efforts from both men. Fight of the night…Tito rocked him a couple of times and Forrest just kept coming back.
Cung Le vs Cote was good for about the first round…just lack luster after that, both men gassed. I don’t know why Le doesn’t use some of his Sanshou take downs.
The Main Event started out to be a hell of fight but thought it was called far too soon, Sonnen dominated the first round mounted the champ, then made a mistake on a spinning backfist in the second round, tripped then Silva pounced kneeing him in the chest then went after him with hammer fists but didn’t think Sonnen was badly hurt and they let Silva take far more damage in the first fight and continue on. Should have let it continue…
I feel cheap and used like one of Bawangs Vietnamese hookers…
Note to UFC Either start putting on female fights, those chicks really go at it or create more of an incentive program for fighters to finish the fight by either knockout or submission. I know they have one award for the whole card for submission/ko of the night but each individual fight should have some financial incentives. Nothing is worse than watching two fighters with too much respect for each other.
[QUOTE=Hebrew Hammer;1177840]Most of the main card fights were very lack luster, until Griffin vs Ortiz…completely solid fight! Great efforts from both men. Fight of the night…Tito rocked him a couple of times and Forrest just kept coming back.
Cung Le vs Cote was good for about the first round…just lack luster after that, both men gassed. I don’t know why Le doesn’t use some of his Sanshou take downs.
The Main Event started out to be a hell of fight but thought it was called far too soon, Sonnen dominated the first round mounted the champ, then made a mistake on a spinning backfist in the second round, tripped then Silva pounced kneeing him in the chest then went after him with hammer fists but didn’t think Sonnen was badly hurt and they let Silva take far more damage in the first fight and continue on. Should have let it continue…
I feel cheap and used like one of Bawangs Vietnamese hookers…
Note to UFC Either start putting on female fights, those chicks really go at it or create more of an incentive program for fighters to finish the fight by either knockout or submission. I know they have one award for the whole card for submission/ko of the night but each individual fight should have some financial incentives. Nothing is worse than watching two fighters with too much respect for each other.[/QUOTE]
seriously did we watch the same fights or were you drunk?
Cote stepped it up big time in the second round with lots of combinations and forward pressure and didn’t slow until the 3rd, Cung hit 2 takedowns and that showed why he doesnt use those skills in MMA because his ground game was terrible
Sonnen was rocked and not defending himself at all when Anderson was teeing off with hook punches, hammerfists LMAO he got up after the hammer fists ate a body kick went down again and started eating hook punches to the head without doing anything in return …WTF were you watching?
and you seriously need to learn about the sport before going off on one, they award for fight of the night, knockout of the night and submission of the night the reason they pay the fights so little but pay such big bonuses is to encourage good fights, they also cut guys who continue to have boring fights
Submission of the Night – None
Knockout of the Night – Anderson Silva
Fight of the Night – Tito Ortiz vs. Forrest Griffin
Again, each fighter received $75,000 extra for their performances in addition to their respective base salaries,
[QUOTE=Frost;1177862]seriously did we watch the same fights or were you drunk?
Cote stepped it up big time in the second round with lots of combinations and forward pressure and didn’t slow until the 3rd, Cung hit 2 takedowns and that showed why he doesnt use those skills in MMA because his ground game was terrible
Sonnen was rocked and not defending himself at all when Anderson was teeing off with hook punches, hammerfists LMAO he got up after the hammer fists ate a body kick went down again and started eating hook punches to the head without doing anything in return …WTF were you watching?
and you seriously need to learn about the sport before going off on one, they award for fight of the night, knockout of the night and submission of the night the reason they pay the fights so little but pay such big bonuses is to encourage good fights, they also cut guys who continue to have boring fights[/QUOTE]
lol, oh Princess you’re like the girlfriend I never had! Let me address some of your concerns.
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No I wasn’t drunk, maybe I should have been…next PPV I’m gonna hang out with you and your peeps.
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You reinforced my point, Cote vs Le was terrible in the 3rd round, they were both gassed. I did see Cung do those two takedowns and applauded his efforts there but they were not either single or double leg shots. What I would rather see from him is Sanshou style throws, trips, and leg sweeps. I like Cung as a fighter but he’s gassed out in several of the Strikeforce fights he’s been in. He admits that.
I also love watching fighters with a Judo background, throwing fools on their head and believe that sweeps and trips are an under utilized skill in the UFC. I think Cung can do some of that. Just my opinion.
- The Silva vs Sonnen fight…it was just a bizzare ending, I watched the replay and aside from the knee to the chest it, it looked more like Sonnen folded than that Silva hammered him. When he missed the backfist and fell to ground, Silva was several feet away from him, Sonnen could have tried to scramble to get up, instead he sat down and watched Silva take 3-4 strides across the Octagon to deliver that knee. It was like he knew he made a mistake, lost the initiative, and let Silva take it to him. I believe it has to do with the wrestling background, some wrestlers are terrible when not in dominant position or on their backs. Sonnen pretty much turtled up and didn’t try (in my opinion) to scramble or get back the initiative. Had the positions been reversed, I know Silva would have…that’s why hes’ the champ. I still think it was called too soon…unless the dude is clearly knocked out they should give it more time especially in the main event.
4)Your little table again reinforces my point, a whole PPV event and not a single fight bonus awarded for submission of the night. That’s at least ten fights. I agree with Tito/Forrest as fight of night, there should have been more fights like it period. I’m not sure I would have awarded Silva KO of the night…he didn’t even knock him out, but who else would have deserved a potential KO of the night on that whole card?
These men are professional fighters, I know they train hard for months, is it too much to expect 15 minutes of action from them? For my money I want to see a fight, if you’ve ever seen the female fights on Strikeforce, everyone of them was complete brawl that either ended in a KO or submission. My point is that it should be hard to pick the fight of night or KO or Submission of the night. With guys I think some fight not to lose, it’s an ego thing.
As I stated above, I am aware they have these bonuses for the whole card, but what I’d like to see is something for each fight…maybe $5k or 10K for the most strikes landed or most submissions attempted per fight. If you watched Pride Fighting…the let the refs give yellow cards for inactivity, I just don’t think they should take money away from these guys but rather put out some positive incentives for action.
Come on Frost, admit it, I do know what I’m talking about.
no you dont’t know what you are on about because they already offer individual bonuses for wins 
So they offer 3 big bonuses, they also offer win bonuses for each fight (did you forget that as well?) not to mention if you lose or dont entertain you get cut,
So they pay small, reward you if you win and then reward you again if you knock someone out or submit them… what else can they do
here you go a breakdown of a recent ufc to make it clear
Michael Bisping: $425,000 ($275,000 to show, $150,000 to win)
Jason Miller: $45,000
Bisping def. Miller via technical knockout
Diego Brandao: $16,000 ($8,000 to show, $8,000 to win)
Dennis Bermudez: $8,000
Brandao def. Bermudez via submission (armbar)
John Dodson: $16,000 ($8,000 to show, $8,000 to win)
T.J. Dillashaw: $8,000
Dodson def. Dillashaw via knockout
Tony Ferguson: $30,000 ($15,000 to show, $15,000 to win)
Yves Edwards: $16,000
Ferguson def. Edwards via unanimous decision
Johnny Bedford: $16,000 ($8,000 to show, $8,000 to win)
Louis Gaudinot: $8,000
Bedford def. Gaudinot via technical knockout
Marcus Brimage: $16,000 ($8,000 to show, $8,000 to win)
Stephen Bass: $8,000
Brimage def. Bass via unanimous decision
John Albert: $16,000 ($8,000 to show, $8,000 to win)
Dustin Pague: $8,000
Albert def. Pague via technical knockout
Roland Delorme: $16,000 ($8,000 to show, $8,000 to win)
Josh Ferguson: $8,000
Delorme def. Ferguson via submission (rear naked choke)
Steven Siler: $16,000 ($8,000 to show, $8,000 to win)
Josh Clopton: $8,000
Siler def. Clopton via unanimous decision
Bryan Caraway: $16,000 ($8,000 to show, $8,000 to win)
Dustin Neace: $8,000
Caraway def. Neace via submission (rear naked choke)
Frost is right that was not an early stoppage. sonnen wasnt defending and didnt hop up to his feet quickly and protest.
He was done whether it was from being hurt or he just mentality folded whatever he did not want anymore of it clearly
[QUOTE=goju;1177898]Frost is right that was not an early stoppage. sonnen wasnt defending and didnt hop up to his feet quickly and protest.
He was done whether it was from being hurt or he just mentality folded whatever he did not want anymore of it clearly[/QUOTE]
Silva was pulling Sonnen’s shorts to give him a wedgy. That is cheating. I not sure what happened to Sonnen. I think he mentally folded. I think they called the fight too quick. Shane Carwin had Brock Lesnar in a similar situation but the ref did not call that fight in the first round.
Sonnen does one thing and that is to take people down and ground and pound them. Silva trained takedown defense knowing this. Sonnen did not adapt well.
Frost, you have such a b!tchy tone to your posts. Are you having your period?
the whole match
[QUOTE=Frost;1177892]no you dont’t know what you are on about because they already offer individual bonuses for wins
So they offer 3 big bonuses, they also offer win bonuses for each fight (did you forget that as well?) not to mention if you lose or dont entertain you get cut,
So they pay small, reward you if you win and then reward you again if you knock someone out or submit them… what else can they do
here you go a breakdown of a recent ufc to make it clear :)[/QUOTE]
I understand that, what you’re misconstruing is I want bonuses for ACTION…not incentives for winning or losing, I know those other ones exist. I want to see great fights on a PPV, often times the undercards are more exciting because these are two fighters who have an incentive to move up and become part of the main card.
Most of the incentives in your posting are for wins…hence some of the fighters don’t take risks engage in actions attempt risky stuff because of the fear of losing. If they’re bonuses were based on action vs winning or losing we might have more exciting fights. I want to see a fight not a judge’s decisions.
[QUOTE=Hebrew Hammer;1177912]I understand that, what you’re misconstruing is I want bonuses for ACTION…not incentives for winning or losing, I know those other ones exist. I want to see great fights on a PPV, often times the undercards are more exciting because these are two fighters who have an incentive to move up and become part of the main card.
Most of the incentives in your posting are for wins…hence some of the fighters don’t take risks engage in actions attempt risky stuff because of the fear of losing. If they’re bonuses were based on action vs winning or losing we might have more exciting fights. I want to see a fight not a judge’s decisions.[/QUOTE]
umm the criteria for winning by judges decision
Judges shall evaluate mixed martial arts techniques, such as effective striking, effective grappling, control of the ring/fighting area, effective aggressiveness and defense.
so in order to win you have to be seen to be the aggressor and to be controlling the cage, hard to do that by not engaging yes?
Hard to do that by not being more active than the other guy by and large yes?
not to mention Dana is known for keeping fighters on if he finds them exciting even if they lose (like dan hardy) and cutting fighters is they win but are boring
[QUOTE=RWilson;1177904]Silva was pulling Sonnen’s shorts to give him a wedgy. That is cheating. I not sure what happened to Sonnen. I think he mentally folded. I think they called the fight too quick. Shane Carwin had Brock Lesnar in a similar situation but the ref did not call that fight in the first round.
Sonnen does one thing and that is to take people down and ground and pound them. Silva trained takedown defense knowing this. Sonnen did not adapt well.
Frost, you have such a b!tchy tone to your posts. Are you having your period?[/QUOTE]
you are a whiner and a moaner, so who cares what you think
Sonnen’s mouth wrote cheques that his body couldn’t cash.
Hype may sell tickets but it doesn’t beat champions.
There is an old adage in fighting sports, made popular by Rick Flair:
To BE THE MAN you must BEAT THE MAN.
Sonnen didn’t.
Did he have the chance? Yes, just like last time.
Was he able to seal the deal? Nope, just like last time.
Did Silva have a chance to beat him? Yes, just like last time.
Did Silva seal the deal? yes, just like last time.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1177942]Sonnen’s mouth wrote cheques that his body couldn’t cash..[/QUOTE]
Don’t they all dude. And how come nobody gave props to Le for getting the decision. Haters
hey hebrew. i just wanted to tell you HA FUKIN HA cung le won you suck. squash this bich!!!
and i do tend to agree with hebrew.
they award a cash bonus for showing, and a cash bonus for win. you can show up, and win and still be boring as hell…ive seen it a lot actually. sometimes both guys get into a ‘rhythm’ that makes for a boring fight. ya its still a fight, but sometimes its just as much as it needs to be to get paid. kind of like when i go to work and do just enough to get through the day, but i dont bust out rock star style. we all do that. at my job they have an incentive plan to ensure i break out the goods more often than not.
I mean BOTH fighters can just kind of give 80% in stead of 100% and then just collect a paycheck. what hebrew is saying is to formulate an incentive plan that assures both fighters in EVERY fight give 100%. sure you can let dana eventually toss guys that are boring, but what about the $$ plop we just put down on a boring ass card on ppv?
its not really a bad idea.
[QUOTE=Brule;1177979]Don’t they all dude. And how come nobody gave props to Le for getting the decision. Haters :D[/QUOTE]
i do!!! GO CUNG! he did it for all the 40 year olds!!!
[QUOTE=Brule;1177979]Don’t they all dude. And how come nobody gave props to Le for getting the decision. Haters :D[/QUOTE]
Here you go, love his quote at the end !
Cung Le picked up his first UFC victory, winning a unanimous decision over Patrick Cote.
Le did a good job of dictating the distance, frustrating the Quebec middleweight with body kicks and counter punches. Cote’s iron jaw was on display, as Le cracked him several times with high kicks and right-hooks.
I feel great, a little tired, an excited Le said. I was going to do a back flip, but don’t have the energy. He came, he brought it. He has a hard head, I hurt my foot on it.
Good old Le.
We can always count on him to represent. Anybody got a link to a vid of the fight?
[QUOTE=Frost;1177920]umm the criteria for winning by judges decision
so in order to win you have to be seen to be the aggressor and to be controlling the cage, hard to do that by not engaging yes?
Hard to do that by not being more active than the other guy by and large yes?
not to mention Dana is known for keeping fighters on if he finds them exciting even if they lose (like dan hardy) and cutting fighters is they win but are boring[/QUOTE]
Frost, I mean Princess, I get what you’re saying and tend to agree with that for the most part. Maybe what I would like to see isn’t reasonable, but I don’t think so. Let me give you some examples of what I think they could do better, especially in PPV.
Here are some examples of things I want them to eliminate or change. I know you’ve seen these types of fights. The first round feel out, where both fighters pretty much spend the whole five minutes dancing around, throwing a few lazy jabs or feints and not ever engaging. It happens. The laying in some dude’s guard for a whole round…fighter shoots the take down and then just pretty much lays on the guy for win. He’s in dominant position, controlled the octagon but never really did any damage or try to submit the guy. This kind of fight makes me want to punch myself in the face. Lastly, the guy who throws a jab and then dances away all night, I can’t remember the fighters names but there was one fight on that card that was pretty much a boring boxing exhibition…the two fighters threw a one two and disengaged and shadow boxed. It maybe ok in a ten or 12 round boxing match but is not good for a 3rd fight.
The UFC used to do a better job of standing guys up for inactivity on ground, it seems to me they really got away from it. I’d like them to get back to it or maybe allow the ref to be able to deduct a point for inactivity. That would definitely motivate a fighter to work harder. It certainly seemed to work for Pride when they allowed the Ref to be the arbiter of action.
Create a Senior or Legends division, each PPV would bring in a fight with two former champs or classic fighters say in the 35- 40+ age range…they may not be competitive with the youngsters but could still throw a great fight.
Like you mentioned (Dan Hardy), there are some fighters no matter what their record are gonna throw down, guys like Forrest Griffin, the Diaz Bros, Vanderley Silva, Uriah Faber, Chris Leiben, etc that I’d pay watch fight. These guys don’t take rounds off and always try to win. Just stack a few more fights with these types of fighters. Perhaps save some of the newer fighters for Fox TV events.