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Forum fu, like cage fighting, is situation specific.

I think there’s a fundamental error in your initial assumption, uki.

obviously there is a relationship between one’s intellectual/mental process and ones martial art

I’ve known (and still know) some people with really low level intellect that are quite talented in the martial arts. It’s situation specific, just like this forum. Having met a few of you, well, that’s always fascinating - the roles we play here can be very different that our normal roles. Or not. Again, situation, and perhaps individual, specific.

For many, the forum is quite the masquerade. And if you’ve ever been to a good masquerade party, there’s always a few that go nekkid. That’s the ultimate mask, the mask of no mask.

But back to the initial point, I don’t see the point in patting oneself on the back for being a good troll. Trolling is really easy, especially in this forum environment where things descend to locker room jibes pretty **** fast. The posters that I most admire here, just like the martial artists that I most admire, are the ones that exhibit true wude.

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the best street fighter I ever witnessed messing up the mess would fall into the category of “group 2 functional illiterate”.

He was not a man of words, definitely not a scholar, but he was great to have on YOUR side in a rumble. lol

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dumb people are only good at being dumb:D

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[QUOTE=goju;971159]dumb people are only good at being dumb:D[/QUOTE]

illiterate doesn’t = dumb.

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dumb people are only good at being dumb

I guess that’s where uki get’s his grandiose sense of superiority, he’s just THAT good at being dumb, he thinks he can lord it over us.

Humility, Humility my friend.

:stuck_out_tongue:

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[QUOTE=David Jamieson;971166]illiterate doesn’t = dumb.[/QUOTE]

LOL. One can be fixed, but the other one can’t.

LCP

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What defines a troll around here?

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[QUOTE=ChuangChuanPai;971181]What defines a troll around here?[/QUOTE]

Pretty much this:

definition of internet troll

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[QUOTE=David Jamieson;971182]Pretty much this:

definition of internet troll[/QUOTE]

wow, this place is infested then !

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[QUOTE=GeneChing;971149]The posters that I most admire here, just like the martial artists that I most admire, are the ones that exhibit true wude.[/QUOTE]

I think we should start substituting “wude” for “word”… like “wude up mofo” or “wude to your mother”…

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Extension of Mo Duk in an internet environment has a double edge quality to it.

Until you’ve known someone for a goodly time and possibly even met them in person, it’s hard to tell if they are actually extending it, or just yanking your chain. lol

But hey, I never got to experience the wild wild west and therefore i am enjoying the wild wild net instead!

for now…

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[QUOTE=David Jamieson;971187]Extension of Mo Duk in an internet environment has a double edge quality to it.

Until you’ve known someone for a goodly time and possibly even met them in person, it’s hard to tell if they are actually extending it, or just yanking your chain. lol

But hey, I never got to experience the wild wild west and therefore i am enjoying the wild wild net instead!

for now…[/QUOTE]

sixshooters at 10 paces, Sunday morning in front of the saloon!

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[QUOTE=David Jamieson;971082]Because this can totally be read as you being of an understanding that you think there is correlation between one in real life and one in how they conduct themselves in an anonymous environment. (This one for the most part.)

Am I reading that wrong?[/QUOTE]i think there is a way to discern people via their methods of communication based on the energetic relationship of their psyche and their choice of words.

[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;971086]If you are implying that quick witted = quick fisted, then no, you would be incorrect.[/quote]this has nothing to do with physical ability… i am musing the correlation between wit and fighting.

[QUOTE=Xiao3 Meng4;971101]It doesn’t take verbal intelligence to know how to physically fight.[/QUOTE]i see there is a relatively general misunderstanding of what i am musing here…

[QUOTE=MightyB;971109]The more you practice fighting - the better you are at fighting…[/QUOTE]again, this has nothing to do with the amount of physical training.

[QUOTE=Hebrew Hammer;971137]Uki are you happy now?[/QUOTE]yes. this is great!!

[QUOTE=GeneChing;971149]I think there’s a fundamental error in your initial assumption, uki. [/quote]it’s not an assumption… it was food for thought. big difference.

For many, the forum is quite the masquerade. And if you’ve ever been to a good masquerade party, there’s always a few that go nekkid. That’s the ultimate mask, the mask of no mask.
aye mate.

But back to the initial point, I don’t see the point in patting oneself on the back for being a good troll. Trolling is really easy, especially in this forum environment where things descend to locker room jibes pretty **** fast.
i don’t understand why people who are adept at posting are considered trolls? it’s like if more than half the board gets offended, people start crying troll… like its some sort of jusifiable excuse to belittle someone else because they have a different line of thought… no? the moment people run out of intellectually witty responses, they resort to calling someone a troll or something… perhaps i am mis-percieving the phenomenom here.

The posters that I most admire here, just like the martial artists that I most admire, are the ones that exhibit true wude.
contribution to the whole of the way comes in a variety of shapes and forms. :slight_smile:

[QUOTE=David Jamieson;971182]Pretty much this:

definition of internet troll[/QUOTE]because wikipedia is SUCH an authority on all things… :rolleyes:

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it’s like if more than half the board gets offended, people start crying troll… like its some sort of jusifiable excuse to belittle someone else because they have a different line of thought… no? the moment people run out of intellectually witty responses, they resort to calling someone a troll or something… perhaps i am mis-percieving the phenomenom here.

Uki I agree

that is all. :slight_smile:

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we know that ignorance of certain subject matter or the inability to perform certain things such as reading or arithmetic does not necessarily directly equate to a low intelligence.

to me the way i took the threads of thought regarding wit is like:

it certainly takes a certain degree of wit and or intelligence to reach the level of a master strategist. someone adept at moving troops through formations across all types of terrains whilst maintaining propper defensive and offensive maneuvers and strategic dominance through thoughtfull insight and experience. the most obvious example:… Sun Tzu… no idiot can reach that stage of understanding and execution.

or another example is a chess master. similar aspect. to me this is what the wit portion of this thread was meant to address.

of course i could be wrong! :smiley:

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One of my favourite fight scenes is in the movie Ronin, when Deniro ambushes that guy with a coffee cup. If that’s the kind of thing you’re talking about-being cunning-then I’m still unsure whether or not that kind of thing is recognizable in someone’s writing. I’d say that someone who is cunning in real life would be able to choose whether or not to be so in an online forum. So how does one differentiate between someone who is being a troll because they think they’re being cunning, and someone who is being a troll because they have a hangup of some kind? Or what about telling the difference between two quiet posters… one may be truly quiet, and the other may only be pretending. I think the whole “craftiness is apparent in a person’s posts” is still bunk unless you’ve actually met the person.

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[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;971086]…No one ever accused Mike Tyson of being on the worlds greatest minds.[/QUOTE]

Nor Ali of being dim witted. I’d put Ali up against Tyson and take your money.

I think what Uki is alluding to is strategy. Strategy is pervasive in everything we do, of course, conscious of it or not.

History is full of great soldiers that used strategy to overcome superior odds…

The superior General uses strategy to eliminate conflicts before they come to combat.

All that being said, I think the shenanegans that take place on the board are simply the result of having a lot of people from different backgrounds, most of which are significantly more competitive than most people and enjoy a good stouch.

If you can’t test your hands, why not test your mind?

I think its a bit optimistic to think that trash talking really translates into intellect or superiority, but sometimes, on a good troll, there is a strategy, or some element of humour to redeem it.

It certainly is a study in human nature to get to know the folks here and try to understand their constitution. A little probing here and there sometimes just livens up the show, but most people lift their skirts on their own.

Of course, lets not let the sideshow take over the circus. I really enjoy good threads, on topic, a whole lot more. But, fair enough, sometimes you have a slow day or two…

Troll Scale
Novice Skills:

  1. Butt Crack / Silly A$$ (Cracks rants on threads)
  2. A$$ wipe (Has opinions! Thinks his sh1t don’t stink, but the fharts give him away)
  3. Pain in the A$$ (Actually manages to elicit line-by-line responses to comments)
  4. A-Hole (signified by first internet death match challenge)
  5. Wanker (stage where most trolls stagnate in their development)

Advanced Levels
6. Social Marketer - (Is spam kosher?)
7. Joker - (at least one ROTFL response required)
7. Sh1t-stirrer (stimulates conversation, challenges assumptions)
8. Devils advocate (makes other people think about their conclusions)
10. Fully Accredited Learian Fool (Troll Master - Kow Tow!!)

I think Uki has promise, I think there is some good stuff there, but his trolling strategy is still in need of some development. He went from Noobie Butt Crack to A$$ Wipe pretty quickly. Right now, he’s definitely a Pain in the A$$, but I think A-hole status is just around the corner.

I think Ray came pretty close to issuing the death match challenge…

However, I think he has forshadowed some advanced skills, so lets see if he can really put his perceived superior intellect to the task for the benefit of the thought, as opposed to the ego.

And, of course, there are always plus points for humour…

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[QUOTE=Xiao3 Meng4;971204]One of my favourite fight scenes is in the movie Ronin, when Deniro ambushes that guy with a coffee cup. If that’s the kind of thing you’re talking about-being cunning-then I’m still unsure whether or not that kind of thing is recognizable in someone’s writing. I’d say that someone who is cunning in real life would be able to choose whether or not to be so in an online forum. So how does one differentiate between someone who is being a troll because they think they’re being cunning, and someone who is being a troll because they have a hangup of some kind? Or what about telling the difference between two quiet posters… one may be truly quiet, and the other may only be pretending. I think the whole “craftiness is apparent in a person’s posts” is still bunk unless you’ve actually met the person.[/QUOTE]

oh, we are correlating peoples posting to real life intelligence?

ya i dont know about that. maybe if everyone were truly honestly themselves…which isnt the case for most online posters.

but i am so screw ya’ll :stuck_out_tongue:

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what about the Super Troll

you know, the guys that have more than one account and argue with themselves to further trap and bait others.

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I think sometimes necessity comes into play.

I was a runt growing up (late bloomer) so pretty much everyone was bigger. One time I got into a scuffle with an older kid and I remember not feeling scared at all; more playful. I decided to pretend I was scared and ran and like most bullies he gave chase. I used a stop sign post or something to swing myself behind him. We were going so fast he shot past and when he realized what I did he put on the brakes but by that time I got his back… Being smaller I tended to throw all my weight behind my punches; jumping into it even.

I don’t think I was a very bright kid back then and my grades were mediocre at best. My grades didn’t improve until I decided to give a $h1t. Like I said, late bloomer.