sole inheritor
http://www.choyleefut.com.au/sifu.asp
Choy li fut and 8 step are two of the last complete systems left, both with generation inheritors.
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I don’t think James is Grandmaster Wei’s “son”. If he is, he should have a few pictures of himself with “dad”. 
you dipshit, no one said he was his son, he is the sole inheritor, the keeper of the system. The same organizational structure minus the nepotism
Oh god, I got sucked into this damn thing again.
I knew about that guy in Taiwan, so what? Master Sun knows that guy. What exactly is your point. If you want to learn form him then go, if you want to learn from someone who has the whole picture, then…your out of luck 
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Andy,
Did you happen to find any old pics of Master Wei and James Sun. Or, any names of the people who where at the ceremony? Thanks
b. c’s
Okay, I’ve got a quick question about body coordinations(sp?)? This goes out to anyone in 8 step, but especially rookies. Do you guys like to analyze the body coordinations? I’ve found that sometimes it helps me to focus on what they do. I realize that you woulnd’t use the EXACT movements in a reality situation, but that they represent movements and applications you could use. So I find it helps me to think about their applications. To say to yourself “okay, so what exactly is going on in this situation” instead of just moving from one end of the school to the other doing some punches and kicks. Anybody else find this helpful
How 8 Step is Taught
8 Step, as taught by master Wei, consists primarily of:
8 postures, 8 moving steps, 8 kicks, 8 fists. The Small Box forms - 7 Hands, Little Water-wheel, Le Pe, Big Water-wheel and the 6 chapters. 7 Hands, Le Pe and the 6 Chapters each have two-man forms associated with them. This format is outlined in his books.
Master Wei did have a form of Tai-Chi. He was also quite adept with the 3-section-staff.
Master Wei was an admirer of Master Chang’s Shuai-Chiao and said, "If one could learn Tong Long and Shuai-Chiao, it would be like teaching a tiger to fly.
In our class, we learn Tai-Chi, Ba Gua, Hsing-I, Tong Long, Chin-Na and Shuai-Chiao.
None of Master Wei’s teaching was “filler”, nor was there any public vs. private teaching.
Also - FYI - Master Wei was not any kind of doctor - he worked in the cafeteria in the General High School.
yes the body coordinations have applications and they are very obvious, most of the body coordinations come strait out of the sets.
Again one of Master Wei’s public students says that Master Wei knew far less than he did. Funny how that works.
Of course he wouldn’t tell his public students that they were public students. Why would he, to give them greedy ambitions??
Admirer of Shuai Chiao? Of course he was, he knew it. In that video clip he did a couple of throwing long forms in the set. The application to those forms ends in a throw, if you actually do that long form you understand that it trains the same body dynamics as throwing. It looks just like a shuai chiao throwing long form. Wow what a coincidence.
Why am I trying to convince you…this is why there was a public face in the first place. To keep you in the dark.
You are a student, you need to look at it from a teachers perspective. If a student demands an application to a set, you show them the most karate application that you can. Which BTW involve no throwing.
His so called admiration was a big grandfatherly hint for his public students to make their public stuff that much more effective. He showed hand techniques and told them to learn throwing. 8 Step throwing is specialized and incorporated into the hand techniques. Not two seperate things. Thats what was hidden.
No throwing?, only 3 three sets?, whats next? Are you gonna say that their are only 6 joint locks instead of 108? Are there only 3 kicks? :rolleyes:
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body cordinations are obvious
Yes, I realize that they are relatively obvious. I was just wondering if it helps anyone else remember and use them? When you were learning body cordinations for the first time, did you just memorize the moves or did it help you to think of the applications. I was in Taekwando for four years and they never encouraged us to look for/at applications. It was basically just “here, do this move…then this..then this.. Okay, here’s a red belt”. I quit when I was 11 because I realized I would never get anything out of it. The black belts had beer guts, the instructor didn’t give a crap, etc…
Body Coordinations Are Bogus…
They didn’t even exist before 1995. And, after James made them up…they changed about 10 times and were still being “standardized” 6 years later, just like the sets and all the other material he teaches.
How do you get 3 sets out of On Jer’s post…He notes 10 regular sets and 8 two man sets. You obviously know nothing about the 6 Chapter Sets. There are video tapes of Master Wei performing them. I have seen some of the footage. They are a lot more intricate and complex than the standard 4 Small Box Sets you are familiar with.
If you want to talk about “filler”, just look at the worthless “lead-ins” you guys do for your throws and joint locks. Ask Kevin who made them up. Original to the system… I don’t think so.
And, finally…I guess we are just going to have to let a judge decide if James was a “private” student.
as your post is only vaguely political I’ll bite
Traditionally they were called Lo Han Tan Tui and then Shi Lu tan Tui or 10 roads body coordinations. Their have been changes because they are a tool for teaching. He is the Grandmaster and can make those changes. It is his system.
Yes you are incouraged to look at applications. I personally make sure that my students are thinking about the art rather than just swallowing it. I encourage people to as “why?” I ask “why” myself.
Yes Sifu Kevin did come up with some of the prestandadized lead ins. They worked. Now the lead in are a lot different and diverse. And it really doesn’t matter, they are examples of theories and princibles. All of the applications are 8 step applications, they were just different. Now because of concrete thinkers such as yourself. Its not about the packaging, it’s about the product.
This is not a uniquely chinese thing. It is the same as the chocolate guilds in france or the German Masons or any other artistic craft. They are secretive, closed off and ensure quality that is associated with the NAME. The successor of the chocolate factory may change the packaging, but the recipe is the same. You're nit picking about the packaging, so you've gone off to pack some fudge instead. Thats your choice.
If it comes to court then Master Sun will actually have a reason to pull out the pictures and documentation. He’s not doing it for a web forum.
face it…as loud as you shout, your still not that special
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Constantly changing the material taught and forcing the students to pay to relearn it, is like making a student walk the wrong way on a moving sidewalk in an airport.
a thing of the past my friend, now with standadization and a clear and structured curriculum, the escalator is moving in the right direction.
You got the brunt of the confusion, I got a little and my students will have zero.
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Good…Now you can call it Shyun style and leave the legitamite 8 Step disciples alone.
getting along
ive been a reader of this forum for a short while now and i am disgusted with the legitamacy aspect that everyone is talking about i lived in master sun school for quite some before i earned my shifu degree and all i can say is his knowledge whether is it legal or not goes way beyond the means of any of our training i met him in 1990 ive been in the system for almost 7 years and all i have to say is that any amount of our little time a kung fu practioners cannot compare to the level of knowledge that man has we should put arguments aside and just train for we are lucky to have any knowledge at all of such a great system and i thank him for it !!!
to all 8 step studentsg
ive been a reader of this forum for a short while now and i am disgusted with the legitamacy aspect that everyone is talking about i lived in master sun school for quite some before i earned my shifu degree and all i can say is his knowledge whether is it legal or not goes way beyond the means of any of our training i met him in 1990 ive been in the system for almost 7 years and all i have to say is that any amount of our little time a kung fu practioners cannot compare to the level of knowledge that man has we should put arguments aside and just train for we are lucky to have any knowledge at all of such a great system and i thank him for it !!!
TO ALL 8STEP STUDENTS
8 STEP SIFU IF I MAY I WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION FIRST OFF THE CHARACTER PRINCIPLES ARE JUST THAT “PRINCIPLES” LIKE THE CARDINAL POINTS IF YOU WILL THEY ARE STATAGIES OR THEORIES USED IN THE PRAYING MANTIS SYSTEMS LOCKING, LINKING, STICKING, TRAPING ETC. THE ARE NOT SECERT KNOWLEDGE THE HAVE BEEN PRINTED IN MANY MANTIS BOOKS AND TOLD PUBLICLY I AM NOT SURE WHAT THE DEPTH OF LEARNING IS WITH OTHER TEACHERS HOWEVER THE STRUCTURE OF THE WAY DIFFERNT SYSTEMS ARE LAYED OUT IS EITHER HERE NOR THERE BUT THE ONE TRUE GOAL IS TO BETTER THY SELF THROUGH DICIPLINE AND HARD WORK GREATNESS COMES FROM PEFECTING THE ONE TECNIQUE THAT WILL MAKE YOU BETTER NOT THE AMOUNT OF TECNIQUE YOU KNOW!!! A GREAT MAN ONCE TOLD ME ONE BLOCK ONE HIT IS ALL ONE NEEDS TO BEFEND HIMSELF EVERYTHING THING ELSE IS FOR OUR EGO
NORTHERN PRAYING MANTIS
8 STEP SIFU IF I MAY I WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION FIRST OFF THE CHARACTER PRINCIPLES ARE JUST THAT “PRINCIPLES” LIKE THE CARDINAL POINTS IF YOU WILL THEY ARE STATAGIES OR THEORIES USED IN THE PRAYING MANTIS SYSTEMS LOCKING, LINKING, STICKING, TRAPING ETC. THE ARE NOT SECERT KNOWLEDGE THE HAVE BEEN PRINTED IN MANY MANTIS BOOKS AND TOLD PUBLICLY I AM NOT SURE WHAT THE DEPTH OF LEARNING IS WITH OTHER TEACHERS HOWEVER THE STRUCTURE OF THE WAY DIFFERNT SYSTEMS ARE LAYED OUT IS EITHER HERE NOR THERE BUT THE ONE TRUE GOAL IS TO BETTER THY SELF THROUGH DICIPLINE AND HARD WORK GREATNESS COMES FROM PEFECTING THE ONE TECNIQUE THAT WILL MAKE YOU BETTER NOT THE AMOUNT OF TECNIQUE YOU KNOW!!! A GREAT MAN ONCE TOLD ME ONE BLOCK ONE HIT IS ALL ONE NEEDS TO BEFEND HIMSELF EVERYTHING THING ELSE IS FOR OUR EGO
SORRY
SORRY ABOUT THE DOUBLES DONT KNOW HOW THIS THING WORKS MY APLOGIES
too true…however, I don’t think its only for our egos. I like the swirling, the mental ingenuity, the chess game going from one technique to the next. My Sifu, whom you probably know pretty well spars with me and its counter and reversal and more like tai chi pushing hands as we trap and throw each other all accross the room. He’s more rooted so he uproots me little by little and I go flying. I love the intellectual side of it. I also like fighitng. I like the process of it more than the winning I like good counters and recounters. Its probably one of the best things on earth. That and surfing.
There really wasn’t anything big on here. I was curious as to who those guys were and who was behind them so I egged them on until they revealed it.
Earth Dragon…Do you currently teach? If you do, I’ll see you at the next Sifu camp. The last one was awesome. We learned counters and stuff thats actually a substyle. It really stretched my brain to the seems. I can’t wait for the next one. Were also having special medical meeting to learn acupuncture and herbology. Life is good. Just so you know, everything is standarized and final, so all the BS of sorting through whose applications are “right” is a thing of the past. The Sifu grades are also standardized, so it’s clear sailing from here on out.
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