Just doing my part to bring my Wing Chun cousins closer together!
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Superior??? You mean you kick at a superior altitude? Is that it? 
Youâre right, Tae Kwon Do is superior to Wing ChunâŚas a sport.
TKD doesnât get any respect does it??? Thatâs b/c of all the sport-oriented and commercial schools. Any martial art would be watered down in those conditionsâŚ
Some TKD guys are good thoughâŚthey can fightâŚthey['re not too badâŚcan beat most WC guys Iâve seen!!! haha
itâs true thoughâŚwe criticize and mock TKD but look at WC schools!!! SadâŚ
iâm afraid that both tkd and wing chun schools often suck because they advertise with the " tkd/wc is the right activity for everyone" in order to get more students. this of course is not true. tkd kicks are great but not suited to those who are out of shape or uncordinated. likewise wing chun techniques are not suited to those who lack the capacity to concentrate on perfect technique. what iâm saying is that its rare that a style is bad its just people who donât match themselves to the right style. unfortunatly many tkd and wc schools seem to be victems of this.
both the tkd school i trained in and the wc school i go to now have good instuctors, but its the students that make the school suck.
Empty Cup
TKD does not get respect because, in general, they are belt factories that are willing to hand out Black Belts to children who cannot even tie their own shoes.
Having said this, you are correct, that there are some TKD guys are are very good fighters, but they are IMHO the exception rather than the rule. For every one of the skilled TKD people there are 100 weak players. I am willing to bet that these same individuals would excel in most martial arts. They do well because of their atheletic ability rather than the strength of the system they are training in.
I challenge your statement that they could beat most WC guys. Either you have seen exceptional TKD schools or pathetic WC schools, but I would say than on the average WC guys are much stronger than TKD guys, especially at the senior levels.
In fact, that was one of the main things that attracted me to my current school. I was impressed by the depth of skill of the senior students. In my mind it was a great refelction of my sifu. On the otherhand I was discouraged by the senior TKD guys. Most were pathetic, who had just put time in the system and paid for the belts. Quite sad really.
For the record, I have experience on the dark side
Matrix
Neito
The students are the reflection of the instructor. Great teachers are not those with the most knowledge, but rather they are the ones who can impart the most knowledge to their students. They should inspire their students to achieve their best. My sifu has told us on several occasions that he is not interested in teaching us to be mediocre, and if we are not willing to strive for more, we should leave. 
Your observation about the students in your past and present school is most worrisome and discouraging. I would look elsewhere if I were you.
Matrix
TKD is the Rodney Dangerfield of martial arts.
"I get no respect!"
Respect
Respect is earned, not given.
Matrix
Matrix
experience in the dark sideâŚlol
yes, I have that experience tooâŚthree of my family members do TKD and I picked some up off them and a few friends who also do it. The reason I have respect fot them is b/c I have met the really GOOD ones. I used to laugh at TKD tooâŚjust like all the WC guys do now I used to think WC would wipe the floor with them. But I see a little more objectively nowâŚI have more respect for other styles than before when I thought WC was the best! Every style has fantastic practioners and bad ones. I respect TKD more b/c they train harder on average than WCâŚthe lazymanâs martial art TKD earned my respect somehwhat recentlyâŚsame goes for one or two other styles I had previously thought lower ofâŚ
and to clarify - I wasnât talking about where I learnedâŚIâm talking about many different schools and lineages. But I am generalizing as I tend to judge WC a tad harsher but only b/c I expect more from her
Tongue of Colibob -
oh rogue, you loveable rogue you:p
vts
TKD is superior!!! OTOH/âŚthey are? heehee OTOH- One should never underestimate the other fella- no matter which art they come from. hee hee
Itâs a big world. One manâs meat is anotherâs poison. If TKD didnât have value to some people, it wouldnât survive.
Just do what you want and let other people do what they want. If you feel you have to put them down, thatâs your problem, not theirs.
tru dat.
Empty Cup..
You may remember a recent thread where I was taken to task for even calling some of these other arts âmartial artsâ. I have trained in TKD for 6 years, and have seen all matter of players. Very fast, hard hitting, fighters and pathetic wimps (all Black Belts). I have stated before that I have respect for individuals within these others arts, and will continue to do so. To underestimate your opponent is a serious mistake. Forget your preconceived notions of being all to âwipe the floorâ with the dude from style âXâ. You may be surprised.
Having said this, I believe that Wing Chun is a superior art. That of course is one manâs perspective. And I totally agree that we should judge WC a tad harsher. We would also do well to do the same to ourselves and our own training.
I remember seeing a sihing of mine showing a junior student how to block a TKD or Mauy Tai roundhouse kick. In my experience anyone attempting that strategy would be eating shin in short order. Fortunately my sifu offer a much superior approach. But I digressâŚ
Matrix
P.S. Just what are you filling those big cups with?
Originally posted by anerlich
Itâs a big world. One manâs meat is anotherâs poison. If TKD didnât have value to some people, it wouldnât survive.
McDonaldâs has hundreds of millions of patrons all around the world, that doesnât mean that they are serving good food. Would you like fries with that?
Matrix
This thread is getting interresting!
Like any styles of m.a.,it depends on the practitionner. I know a guy in Montreal(his name is Ferrere Clerveaux sixth degree bb)) who can get you with an ax kick faster than your eyes can blink! One of my friends who is a student of his (third degree bb)could litteraly break you in half with his counter back kick. Do I have to say that Ferrereâs school (dojang) is not a belt factory?
Old Jong
I know some TKD guys like the two youâve described. Unfortunately, in my experience, these tend to be talented individuals. I find it disturbing that most TKD Black Belts are of weaker substance. TKD lacks the quality control, IMHO, and that only serves to cast the whole art under the same bad reputation.
By the way, the ax kick is a high-risk attack, except for the most skilled players.
âMatrix
I know MatrixâŚThatâs why Iâm mentionning individuals here. Some can make techniques like the ax kick work well for them but it is not the norm. An art like TKD depends a lot on the physical condition and on some natural physical predispositions or gifts of the practitionner. A perfect TKDer can kick you from the other side of the room and is fast as lightning! Not the everyday guy!
Matrix
other peopleâs breasts 