Redangel,
You don’t practice with a genius.
black and blue sez:Yuanfen: I think everyone on this forum would say they are still trying to get SNT right , but despite this, some have, naturally, started learning the other forms. I just wondered how long your route had been.
I dont like talking about myself- but- to answer your question.
Learning the sequence of motions in the form is a long ways from
understanding the paths, meanings and possible applications of the motions. So its really an endless, rich and evntually individuated journey. I began wing chun in 1976 directly from Augustine Fong with the help of 2 elder kung fu brothers and a sister. The other forms are taught when individuals are ready-
and individually. I began learning chum kiu about a year later,
3/4 of biu jee a year after that, the jong form and finishing biu jee a year later. After then eventually the pole and the bat jam do.,
I played with some variations in the forms. Total about 8 years of
step by step form/instruction work. After that lots of instructions in details.
I lived in Tucson-so 1976-79 direct every day classes sometimes twice a day…then 79-85 3 day regular weekends of class and lessons - driving 540 miles round trips from Las Cruces, new Mexico to Tucson, Arizona. Since then 85-02classes occasionally visits(Tempe to Tucson), conversations, seminars there and here. Ho Kam Ming also 8 years of regular instruction directly by Ip Man and regular contact after that. Augustine Fong also about the same with sigung Ho.
Understanding the meanings and acting reflexively but intentionally takes time… and time therfore can vary. Some get ita little earlier- others never. With a photographic memory one can “learn” sequences ina day-does not mean much. And, I have been teaching since 1979 and that helps clarfiy things more in addittion to practice, thinking and listening ( even to idiots)..
BTW, I “knew” other things before wing chun. My curiosities are about martial arts anywhere, CMA srecially but wing chun uber alles. Despite Cloud One’s post about list politics- I am not here to push my lineage or myself…but to listen. learn and appropriately share.
B&B
Just continue to train this way and I bet on your success in Wing Chun.
I think that relatively speaking,your 18 months of practice are more like 36!..
Chum Kiu opens a good can of goodies when you finally get it’s meaning.So,work on your turning and stepping and drill that Bong Sau!..
All the best. 
I bow before you, Yuanfen
Thanks for the post.
You began training in 1976, and I was born in 1974… so me thinks you have “a little” more experience than me.
A round-trip of 500+ miles = dedication.
Checked your article on the web (interview with Sifu Fong), which was interesting. Would be great if you could post a few mpegs sometime showing your form work. I like to look and listen to learn.
Duncan
Ps. Old Jong. In my case 36 years going on 36 hours!!! Turning, turning, turning… got… to… turn… on… heels… not… toes!!!
On a note with my dummy… I left out the left arm’s peg the other day and lap the arm. It shot out, I lost grip, and the bloody thing broke a small mirror some idiot (me) left on the floor. 36 years bad luck 
Aelward said - “I think part of the teaching process is taking motions that your body understands and trying to articulate that with words so that someone else can understand it”
I think communication is something important to as some people can get different things out of certain phrases or ways you can put a thing.
Curiosity kills the…
Hi yuanfen, I’m glad you have gotten over the ‘nim lik’ thread;)
Out of ‘curiosity’ The chi sau excersize sitting down, was that taught by you or your sifu or your sigung?
I have not tried it but what differences are there apart from giving your legs a rest to doing chi sau standing up?
Please share cos we are all listening.
Aelward (John Kang is that you?),
another line from sifu Emin is roughly that it’s not the hours, it’s how you spend them.
One discussion of training particularily sticks out in my mind. Sifu was talking about learning and time in, and he basically said that there are those people who will pick up more in a month than others will in ten years- the difference? Intensity. By this he wasn’t simply talking about working with power or speed, but bringing a certain intensity, focus, and attention to one’s training whether it be soft and precise technical work, form, or explosive free application. The quality of one’s training, and by quality I mean personal investment, has at least as much to do with one’s results as the quantity.
Later,
Andrew
CLOUD ONE
“I have not tried it but what differences are there apart from giving your legs a rest to doing chi sau standing up?”
Yuanfen not being here at the moment,I will try to answer.
It is just a variation on the drill that changes the games a little bit.You can’t run away anymore or use brute force to charge in. It focusses the work on the technique a little bit more and you realise the gains from this exercice in regular Chi Sau after.
Why not try it before assuming that our legs need a rest?
Cloud one:
(right old jong- been away- I have a life outside of KFO!)
Of course one can rest one’s leg a bit-but that is not the primary purpose. While the basic chi sao is from ygkym one can do chi sao in many ways provided its properly done. Common analogy- beginners in good penmanship often have to practice motions in one position… later they can write standing up, lying down, on a bus on a train etc. One guy once was complaining on the net one time that after he went to HK, the teacher kept doing single chi sao with him while holding the phone, talking and looking up numbers with the other, The danger is thata novice might do those things badly without guidance. When my youngest son was learning some wing chun Master Fong wiuld stand him ona chair or seat him at a high counter or table and work on chi sao with him. I have done seated chi sao both with my sifu and my sigung. And when sigung does things I can assure you that his roots are from working out with Ip Man. One of the advantages of seated chi sao when done right (not leaning, reaching, forcing etc) is that it fixes on sharpening hand skills- with more restrained body english you sharpen the micro motions. You develop the timing of your motions- just right. I trust that helps.
Tecnique based chi sau!
Thanks you guys I will have ago later and report back.
I didn’t say they needed a rest, but are you saying they are still being used and not resting?
‘‘beginners in good penmanship often have to practice motions in one position… later they can write standing up, lying down, on a bus on a train etc’’-yuanfen
So is this advanced chi sau, because the way you are saying this yuanfen is you learn chi sau in ygkym then when you are proficient you could chi sau lying on the floor or sitting down or even upside down?