actually they are all in 8 step from master Feng Hua Yi, he was a shuai Jaio and eagle claw master and took 40 of the throws from Shuai Jiao and added them to his shifu’s (Chiang Hui Long) newly designed plumb flower hybrid system ba bu
That explain it. It’s very difficult to find any CMA style to have that many throws.
yes we are quite lucky, though some dont work on certain opponets, size, height, weight, flexibility etc etc so you pick and choose.
8 step is a hybrid of 14 other styles so we kinda got the best of alot of worlds all put into 1 system, this is why i love it so much. I dont have to look to fill any voids like i did with karate or hung gar
Someone, quick, write down all the Chinese names - it is almost impossible to get these lists anymore
Choy Lee Fut is a southern system with some northern roots. It has a lot of kam na/ chin na grappling but doesn’t emphasize pure throwing skills. It features a lot of attacking the horse, unbalancing, takedown or knockdown skills but operates mainly as a boxing system.
The so-called “Tibetan” schools of Lama, White Crane and Hop Ga were developed in Gwangdong but retained most of their northern heritage. They include a lot of throws which my teacher referred to as Mongolian wrestling.
I’ve trained in Mongolian wrestling and don’t see many similarities. Besides the grips and the forward-leaning clinch the main difference is in the footwork. Mongolian wrestling does not allow the heels to touch the ground (because of the structure of the boots worn in competition). Some have suggested that there is or was a “combat” style of Tibetan and Mongolian wrestling that was the basis for our system but I have seen no evidence of it.
I see a closer affinity to northern shuai jiao with its propensity for debilitating throws and possible combat applications. Could be that Tibetan, Mongolian, Manchurian and otherwise northern wrestling styles have always been intertwined. Those folks really got around. Know how the first Dalai Lama got his title? Mongolian politics.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1057264]Let me try to translate this list (some I just can’t find the right Chinese character for it):
- GO - upward hook
- SWAI - ?
- KO - knee seize
- BOW - embrace
- CHING - downward pulling
- SHAW - sharpen
- SWA - ?
8 CHEIDA - front cut strike - LABIE - pulling block
- BUNG TIAO - leg lift
- DING KUAI - knee lift
- DIAO LOU - diagonal pulling
- AN CHI - knee press
- TWAI DUNG - ?
- YA TIAO - leg lift
- TAN HING - spring
- JIAN TUI - leg seize
- DA HUH - inner hook
- CHAN TUI - leg twist
- LIKANG - ?
- CHUAN DANG - fireman’s carry I
- SO BEI - hand block
- SO HUH - hand harmony
- SAN BA BIE - upperbody control leg block
- ZA BA BIE - lower body control leg block
- JIA LIANG TI - arm locking kick
- CHEN DI TI - forward marching kick
- XIA BA DENG - lower body control ?
28 SAN BA DENG - upper body control ? - FEN SOU KANG - shoulder carry
- LUO SOU BIE - arm pulling leg block
- ZUA WAI CHUAI - outer bowing
- HUN TUI KANG - shoulder carry
- TUAN DANG KOW - fireman’s carry II
- MA BOU TI - neck mopping kick
- KAU TUI DI - ?
- XUEN BU TI - kick?
- QUI TUI DA HUH - knee down inner hook
- LOW - outer hook
- FAN TI - foot sweep against foot sweep[/QUOTE]
Is that a curriculum, or just names that apply to techniques?
This is the names of the throws 8 step uses from shuai jiao
[QUOTE=Yum Cha;1057730]Is that a curriculum, or just names that apply to techniques?[/QUOTE]
Both the Ti and Bie principles all contain more than 30 different throws. That’s how complicate the Chinese throwing art is. Chinese old saying said, “The major Chinese throw contain 360 throws. The number of the minor Chinese throws can be as many as the number of hair on a cow’s body.”
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JIA LIANG TI - arm locking kick
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CHEN DI TI - forward marching kick
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SAN BA BIE - upperbody control leg block
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ZA BA BIE - lower body control leg block
Some of the throws I use in MMA I learned in mantis. Most people think they came from Judo, prob cuz they are exactly like some of the ones in Judo. The Hung Ga school I was in did some throws and they supplemented with SC every couple weeks. But my Hung Gar sifu put more emphasis on just blasting through and going hulk smash. He was also very big so…
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1057753]Both the Ti and Bie principles all contain more than 30 different throws. That’s how complicate the Chinese throwing art is. Chinese old saying said, “The major Chinese throw contain 360 throws. The number of the minor Chinese throws can be as many as the number of hair on a cow’s body.”
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JIA LIANG TI - arm locking kick
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CHEN DI TI - forward marching kick
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SAN BA BIE - upperbody control leg block
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ZA BA BIE - lower body control leg block[/QUOTE]
excellent, with chinese characters
I was getting a headache, just trying to figure out what they are in chinese.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1057753]Both the Ti and Bie principles all contain more than 30 different throws. That’s how complicate the Chinese throwing art is. Chinese old saying said, “The major Chinese throw contain 360 throws. The number of the minor Chinese throws can be as many as the number of hair on a cow’s body.”
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JIA LIANG TI - arm locking kick
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CHEN DI TI - forward marching kick
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SAN BA BIE - upperbody control leg block
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ZA BA BIE - lower body control leg block[/QUOTE]
Thanks, I’ll have to find out more…you are the first Chin na person I’ve met. Its very interesting…
this is one fo my favorite hrows, its called Beng Tiao, its quick simple but ruthless.
[QUOTE=EarthDragon;1057965]this is one fo my favorite hrows, its called Beng Tiao, its quick simple but ruthless.
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Just trying to continue the discussion on this thread. Could you explain how do you do your (Beng Tiao)? In that picture, it seems to me that you are pulling your opponent’s left arm. Is that a follow through of a Mantis “waist chop”?
geez, explian in text? LOl OK I will give it a try… opponent throws a right punch (jab), you mantis grab (gou) with your right hand pull arm down and counter punch (cross) to his face, opponent blocks, you then step behind your own leg into a X- leg stance while you grab this tricept area , or grab the jacket or shirt on his right shoulder, and you lock his elbow of his left hand across your chest this is called (Beng) then you snap the hips counter clockwise while turning and lifting (Tiao) your right leg, up towards the ceiling.
your opponent has his elbow locked as wll he cannot jump higher then you lift your leg so he goes feet over head and lands on the mat while you still have his arm locked.
its quick simple and very effective. I will post some of these throws on my new website as examples, but its a work in progress but shoudl be done this month i hope.
hope that helps
heres another angle that shows the leg lift (Tiao)
That’s what I thought. The same set up as the Mantis “(Yin Zhen Yao Zhan) - waist chop”.
yeah kind of a variation of wasit chop, its a nice throw it can come right off a uppercut or any time the arms get tied up.