[QUOTE=taai gihk yahn;1034287]the tags on the vid are MT and Kickboxing, nothing to do w TCMA per se;
overall, not bad, they both demonstrate some good stuff, they both make some “mistakes” as to be expected;
but it’s not, AFAICT, an example of TCMA, so why r u posting it?[/QUOTE]
I was just looking up random free sparring videos and did was not trying to read the “label” of the styles. The fact that these guys are not doing “tcma” does not negate the fact that they are showing the principles of tcma in action. Who cares what the label is. Does it work or not? I knew that if I typed in kung fu into youtube the same crap would come up. So I used “sparring” instead and it worked wonders. The fact is that these guys are atleast hinting at being able to apply tcma principles and the fact they do not study tcma makes it even more interesting.
Do you purposely argue mundane points? Is there not a television near you to keep you entertained?
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1034293]Why are people allowed multiple accounts to say the same crap over and over again?
Gene? why?[/QUOTE]
Why does Gene allow people like you to talk up kung fu like it is magical when you have nothing to back it up and nothing to show for it especially with youtube videos. How is your nei gong posture doing? I hope you live till a ripe old age so that you can say, “I have lived this long doing nei gong but never learned real kung fu.”
[QUOTE=MysteriousPower;1034301]Why does Gene allow people like you to talk up kung fu like it is magical when you have nothing to back it up and nothing to show for it especially with youtube videos. How is your nei gong posture doing? I hope you live till a ripe old age so that you can say, “I have lived this long doing nei gong but never learned real kung fu.”[/QUOTE]
^ Well as you can see, troll here likes to troll. should we keep him and his aliases around or will we be content with a steady stream of these asshats from trollshido? :rolleyes:
thanks asshat. your trolling is trollish. lol
btw, your cowardly anonymity disqualifies you from receiving anything more than being sh*t on. Because, you’re a toilet after all where we should all take our dumps even when you pretend that you are asking serious questions.
IN reality, you’re a p.oo.s (piece of obstenat sh*t) troll with nothing better to do. And so, with that, adieu and onto ignore list with your other troll friends.
Hey if you’re ever in Toronto and you want a lesson in tact, look me up, I am really me.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1034308]^ Well as you can see, troll here likes to troll. should we keep him and his aliases around or will we be content with a steady stream of these asshats from trollshido? :rolleyes:
thanks asshat. your trolling is trollish. lol
btw, your cowardly anonymity disqualifies you from receiving anything more than being sh*t on. Because, you’re a toilet after all where we should all take our dumps even when you pretend that you are asking serious questions.
IN reality, you’re a p.oo.s (piece of obstenat sh*t) troll with nothing better to do. And so, with that, adieu and onto ignore list with your other troll friends.
Hey if you’re ever in Toronto and you want a lesson in tact, look me up, I am really me. :)[/QUOTE]
That is nice, David. Now go cry in the corner and let the grown ups talk. I apologize for offending your Mr Softy nei gong hand waving ways. Too bad you will not get my apology since you are ignoring me.
I have a novel idea. Instead of bashing for trollling(which is really just pointing out the obvious) why don’t you improve and put out better videos so people have no reason to make fun?
Joe Rogan was talking about these guys when he was making fun of Kung Fu.
[QUOTE=taai gihk yahn;1034263]you are perhaps referring to some posts that were deleted? 'cause what’s up is not anything remotely in the range of “excellent” from TCMA or any other perspective;
of what?!?!? the '53 fight was a pure debacle; the second clip shows a bunch of mediocre amateurs violating both traditional TCMA as well as contemporary ring-sparring principles while engaged in half-speed, minima contact exchanges (which may have been the rule-set, going light and slow, nothing wrong with that, of course, but it doesn’t mean much beyond that - but if u can’t show proper body mechanic and principles at that speed, what does that say about your chances when you go full out? I mean, props to “Jessone” for putting himself up, but then you have to be honest about his frequent lack of structure, footwork mistakes and mediocre usage, as well as apparent lack of any strategy - I mean, he has no “goal”, from the looks of things, he just is floating in mid-court most of the time, changing his stance without any discernible purpose and over extending his extremities a lot, loosing his core connection - the analogy being to tennis where either you work the base-line or the net - stay at mid-court, you get clobbered - same with him)
Mysterious Power’s TCMA baiting / trolling and his own prowess or lack thereof notwithstanding, it doesn’t negate the truth of what is being shown on those clips; I mean, asking him for clips because he says it’s not impressive makes as much as asking you to post clips because you say that they are;
FWIW, I’m not being a TCMA hater - I think TCMA has a corpus of solid principles that are applicable; but unfortunately, none of those are demonstrated here…[/QUOTE]
Don’t get up in arms…I was just counter trolling. Its in the Army handbook.
[QUOTE=Hebrew Hammer;1034338]Don’t get up in arms…I was just counter trolling. Its in the Army handbook.[/QUOTE]
in all fairness, the macao clip is nothing but a dead horse.
definitive of lazy minded punks more than having anything worthwhile to reminisce about the uselessness of young man Chan or Old man Wu. They both weren’t realistic about their training and they allowed a big pile of cluster hump to castrate any real deminstration they might have given.
Notice how troll boy has nothing to say or answer about the afghan face kicking champ who claims kung fu as his style.
In fact, troll asshats like this one will never ever face up to that much less put up anything demonstrating some prowess of their own.
This is how ass hat trolls are.
I can see that Chan and Wu were useless. So what. I don’t practice their crappy styles in any way shape or form. lol And I don’t care to. Further more, I can’t be bothered with any of the run off that came from either of them so I don’t go there.
When I first saw that clip, before mysterious ass hat was born, I was determined to not practiec either of those styles. This is my personal preference.
I also don’t bother much with jiu jitsu for some similar reasons.
It’s too bandwagon and there is a lot of crappy bandwagon instruction out there.
MRSA
I don’t compete
I don’t really care much about grappling.
If you take me down, ok, I’ll work it, I understand enough to do that.
If you take me down and I feel I am genuinely threatened, I’ll stab you. lol
Otherwise, for my age, my entering, boxing and throwing is ok. My kicking is pretty average, my state of mind towards physical conflict is good.
Have you guys read Kennedy and Guo’s Jingwu book? It raises some interesting points regarding this discussion of how kung fu was back in the day. The problem seems to be that we don’t really have a clear picture of how the real-deal kung fu fighters - soldiers, bodyguards and militiamen, mostly - did actually practice and fight. Through modern experimentation, we can imagine that it involved certain methods such as heavy conditioning, sparring and lots and lots of weapon work. But the problem remains to be the lack of actual historical evidence.
The only thing that 1953 video proves is that those two guys were bad. Period.
[QUOTE=Sardinkahnikov;1034343]Have you guys read Kennedy and Guo’s Jingwu book? It raises some interesting points regarding this discussion of how kung fu was back in the day. The problem seems to be that we don’t really have a clear picture of how the real-deal kung fu fighters - soldiers, bodyguards and militiamen, mostly - did actually practice and fight. Through modern experimentation, we can imagine that it involved certain methods such as heavy conditioning, sparring and lots and lots of weapon work. But the problem remains to be the lack of actual historical evidence.
The only thing that 1953 video proves is that those two guys were bad. Period.[/QUOTE]
An excellent read, just like their earlier book.
The thing is, we do have a pattern on what truly does work, NOW and now reason for that to have been any different THEN.
Lets look at strength training in the same time frame, there were some genetic freaks of old and some of their feats have yet to be duplicated, but they were freaks and as such, we “scratch them out”, just as we do those on the lower part of the totem pole.
We focus on what worked on the average guy and what the average guy did.
You will see very little change in that regard:
IF a person wanted to get stronger they needed to lift more than they were used to.
We have a similar pattern in MA:
When people wanted to developed their skills, they trained hard, physical fitness was crucial and they fought as much as they could.
They also had no problem in cross training and cross “borrowing” what worked from other styles.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1034341]in all fairness, the macao clip is nothing but a dead horse.
definitive of lazy minded punks more than having anything worthwhile to reminisce about the uselessness of young man Chan or Old man Wu. They both weren’t realistic about their training and they allowed a big pile of cluster hump to castrate any real deminstration they might have given.
Notice how troll boy has nothing to say or answer about the afghan face kicking champ who claims kung fu as his style.
In fact, troll asshats like this one will never ever face up to that much less put up anything demonstrating some prowess of their own.
This is how ass hat trolls are.
I can see that Chan and Wu were useless. So what. I don’t practice their crappy styles in any way shape or form. lol And I don’t care to. Further more, I can’t be bothered with any of the run off that came from either of them so I don’t go there.
When I first saw that clip, before mysterious ass hat was born, I was determined to not practiec either of those styles. This is my personal preference.
I also don’t bother much with jiu jitsu for some similar reasons.
It’s too bandwagon and there is a lot of crappy bandwagon instruction out there.
MRSA
I don’t compete
I don’t really care much about grappling.
If you take me down, ok, I’ll work it, I understand enough to do that.
If you take me down and I feel I am genuinely threatened, I’ll stab you. lol
Otherwise, for my age, my entering, boxing and throwing is ok. My kicking is pretty average, my state of mind towards physical conflict is good. :)[/QUOTE]
I did not view your Afgan Kung Fu clip because I thought it you were making a joke. I seemed to have angered you. :). Do more nei gong, grasshopper for you are entering the dark side of the force. It is too bad that you have not realized that you cannot master your emotions by waving your hands in the air and making a porno by yourself. Conflict(sparring/pressure testing) is the real way for martial artists to reach enlightenment. I hope your posture is still good after 16 more years of nei gong. You should really take me off ignore cause you are missing some great replies.
[QUOTE=MysteriousPower;1034290]I was just looking up random free sparring videos and did was not trying to read the “label” of the styles. The fact that these guys are not doing “tcma” does not negate the fact that they are showing the principles of tcma in action. Who cares what the label is. Does it work or not? I knew that if I typed in kung fu into youtube the same crap would come up. So I used “sparring” instead and it worked wonders. The fact is that these guys are atleast hinting at being able to apply tcma principles and the fact they do not study tcma makes it even more interesting.[/QUOTE]
well, the original point of this thread, as I understand it, was in regards to TCMA practitioners demonstrating (or not demonstrating) TCMA principles; so while I agree that the sparring is of a much higher level than the original two clips, I would argue that the principles are not TCMA per se, given that the origin is other than TCMA; of course, what it does demonstrate is that the principles of TCMA are not unique, and although the way that they are articulated and trained might be different than something like MT, ultimately, it does come down to a question of semantics, and also the awareness that different systems can train different ways and arrive at the same end result;
[QUOTE=MysteriousPower;1034290]Do you purposely argue mundane points? [/QUOTE]
do you purposefully need to communicate like a sarcastic pr1ck? I mean, you started this thread but I guess I missed the post with the instructions about what you consider to be acceptable content :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=MysteriousPower;1034290]Is there not a television near you to keep you entertained? :D[/QUOTE]
lol, as far as staying entertained, obviously you are in greater want thereof, given your incessant harping on a point that you have already clearly established all over the forum…
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;1034288]oh im well aware of all that…HAHA…he was from the White Dragon School of CLF and in my opinion…well…let me just say i had to reteach him everything and he’s been doing CLF for 9 years prior to me. i took him back to the beginning and started all over.
his sparring came from them as well and i’ve been spending that last year or so trying my best to correct all of his bad habits. he has a lot of bad stuff ingrained in him and i hate it. one thing he does that i can’t stand is that hopping with his feet.
But in regards to some of his openings, i make sure he knows how to close them. both hands we train to be active whether its offense or defense
i don’t focus on forms over sparring or learning to use this. he clearly applies some of his CLF and YES there were no head shots…later sessions did include them as they would put the head gear on cause they’re kinda heavy handed.
but i appreciate your critique…[/QUOTE]
that makes sense; and based on comparison to the second clip, all I can say is, well-corrected <golf claps>
I also liked watching again how your training brother moves - nice sense of timing and distance…
Even if this clip is old, I think this is still an excellent clip. It constantly reminds us that if we don’t want to look like this in any future challenge fight, we better train hard and also train in the corerect way.
Guys, I’m still trying to get over MK’s monkey riding goat post here. That alone has been worth the price of clicking this thread. I must forward that one along. It’s my fav web offering of the day.
These guys were kung fu “masters” and they were throwing the same overhand combinations at each other. What happened to superior hitting power, superior timing, superior strategy, sensitivity, rooting, maiming, killing???
your trolling is trollish. lol
