[QUOTE=kwaichang;756299]Martial arts Muscle is a term I used to describe a comb of slow and fast twitch muscle. The super slow I refer to is a recent concept developed by physiologist in Calif. Most people who think they know what they are talking about often refer to the essentric contraction as super slow.
I have one for you squat 225 15 times measure your effort out put using the percieved exertiopn scale and then try a correct horse stance for lets say 3 minutes and tell me , if you can do it which is harder. BTW my degree is in Kinesiology and Physical therapy I know of what I speak. Question abd and add of what the legs hips etc perhaps you speak of the Psoas Muscle group. KC:confused: :D[/QUOTE]
when I was in cma I had a 5 min horse. I have also squatted 225 for 20 reps. bad compsrison, as it does not take 3 mins to squat 225 for 15 reps. to be more equal, squat 225 for 3 mins, then compare that with holding a 3 min horse.
[QUOTE=SevenStar;756315]when I was in cma I had a 5 min horse. I have also squatted 225 for 20 reps. bad compsrison, as it does not take 3 mins to squat 225 for 15 reps. to be more equal, squat 225 for 3 mins, then compare that with holding a 3 min horse.[/QUOTE]
I understand you’re rebutting kwaichang’s point, but if I may… since horse stance is body weight, wouldn’t it be more accurate to compare it with squatting for 5 minutes sans weights? Assuming the horse stance is perfectly parallel, they’d both be nightmarish IMO
My contention is, To hold a Horse stance correctly is harder than squating 225 x15. The Z band is the link of the sarcomeres of the muscle it connects and transfers the power , if you will, to the tendonous area. When doing Concentric and -eccentric contractions like with a squat you do not utilize all the muscle fibers. some of the motor points of the muscle do not fire due to compensation etc. While holding a horse stance for 3 minutes you will incorporate “all” of the muscle fibers of the primary muscle group and more force is generated at the Z band , RD this why the horse stance strenthens the muscle tendon junction. The prolonged stress on the joints with out movement during stance training also strengthens the ligaments and bone-tendon junction " look up wolfs law". Also the muscle is composed of contractile and non-contractile tissues and with a prolonged hold as in the stance , not in weights where the movement moves the point of tension along the muscle through ROM, the stance causes these areas of the muscle to be put in a prolonged stretch and thus strengthen them under tension as well. so do stance training to be a more rounded MA, but bont neglect weights. Low # high rep. KC
Why This Thread Is Stupid
Everyone is looking at ‘the horse stance’ as a thing unto itself, and in some cases (RD & WD) are arguing two completely different goals and thereby two completely different traning methods that both call ‘horse stance.’
This can be simplified by discussing the end goals desired and why the training is the way it is.
For me, stance training is very, very useful, but not out of context from my other training or a specific goal.
[QUOTE=Mas Judt;756378]Everyone is looking at ‘the horse stance’ as a thing unto itself, and in some cases (RD & WD) are arguing two completely different goals and thereby two completely different traning methods that both call ‘horse stance.’
This can be simplified by discussing the end goals desired and why the training is the way it is.
For me, stance training is very, very useful, but not out of context from my other training or a specific goal.[/QUOTE]
Man, how is it that you can explain in 3 sentences what I couldn’t explain in 3 pages?
RD this why the horse stance strenthens the muscle tendon junction.
Show me ONE scientific study which presents this…??
Look up wolfs law it basically says a tissue will respond to the amount of stress placed upon it EX weight bearing ex decreases the prospect of Osteoporosis. So all the muscle bundle are joined and condensed at the Z band and the Muscle tendon Junction more fibers more stress , ie stance work more developement in that area. So it is stronger in that area. With weight training the moment of force is moved along the belly of the muscle through time and ROM. so different areas of the muscle is developed at different times of the ex. Withstance training the moment of force is held and as muscles fatigue the other fibers compensate to hold the stance thus stronger tendon and ligament. KC i dont have time to review orthopedic journals for a study to prove this. I just have 25 years of Orthopedic PT and Strenght training experience to back it up. KC
I will repeat the question,
RD this why the horse stance strenthens the muscle tendon junction.
Show me ONE scientific study which presents this…??
Show me a study that disproves it KC
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I keyed in Isometric contraction muscle , there is too much to read but i did read a couple by cisco and little and they have studies that say what i am trying to say so read to your hearts content. KC
Show me a study that disproves it KC
Show me a study that disproves that a giant floating mothership is hovering above the Earth sending out wonderfull beams of free nanotechnology viagra?
I keyed in Isometric contraction muscle , there is too much to read but i did read a couple by cisco and little and they have studies that say what i am trying to say so read to your hearts content. KC
I know about Isometric contraction. I asked you to put down a independent scientific study on horse stance training showcasing this quote.
RD this why the horse stance strenthens the muscle tendon junction.
“Man, how is it that you can explain in 3 sentences what I couldn’t explain in 3 pages?”
Because the mothership has been beaming me nanotech viagra.
While holding a horse stance for 3 minutes you will incorporate “all” of the muscle fibers of the primary muscle group and more force is generated at the Z band , RD this why the horse stance strenthens the muscle tendon junction.
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Well, if you put it that way, how is it that lifting weights does not develope the muscles and joints? It stresses those areas as well.
“Man, how is it that you can explain in 3 sentences what I couldn’t explain in 3 pages?”
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Becasue you don’t speak in coherent sentances, post examples of your point that have nothing to do with the discussion and/or are a contradictery mixture of both supporting yourself, AND my position, change the context of the discussion when you are losing, AND you P1ss me off by talking down to me because you are a disrespectfull little prick.
Mas Judt just speaks his position in a clear and concise and non insulting way.
I personally don’t see how stance work can strengthen the muscle tendon joint any more than weight lifting. No mattter what you do, everything in the unit gets more developed by the same purportions Muscles, joints, tendons etc…
If you took anything I wrote that way, you have some personal issues there. Disagreeing on training methods is not the same thing as a personal attck. I’m sorry you took it that way.
I do find it funny though that you’re the only person slinging insults on this thread, yet you somehow feel ‘disrespected’.
Just don’t disrespect the mothership. Those little gray guys are mean mofos.
The muscles are not strengthened evenly due to recrutment at different angles of the joint read my past posts , also the horse stance is like other isometric contractions the same principal applies to that or holding a push up half way up, do some Yoga for a while. also why do you think it strengthens you so well. KC
Also if you want to look like a body builder then lift weight if you want to be a fighter then train like one 1500 years of MA training against 100 years of physiology. KC
“Also if you want to look like a body builder then lift weight if you want to be a fighter then train like one 1500 years of MA training against 100 years of physiology. KC”
Put the Kool-Aid down.