If you had to create the art of Wing Chun all over again, what would you include and exclude this time around? Would you create another form with things that are currently not in the current ones? Would you add grappling, boxing or whatever? How about more weapons?
It would depend entirely on what principles you choose to repeat.
Me personally, I would let it die. xD
[QUOTE=mun hung;1162923]If you had to create the art of Wing Chun all over again, what would you include and exclude this time around? Would you create another form with things that are currently not in the current ones? Would you add grappling, boxing or whatever? How about more weapons?[/QUOTE]
im currently creating my own form of wing chun…its called
hooking fighting!!!
ill tell you more when its finish lol…
ill tell you more when its finish lol…
Please don’t rush on my account.
If I had to create a new combat system (an unlikely scenario requiring extraordinary hubris), I’d look at everything that was around, not just one system, and try to distil it into something simple and effective.
Which is allegedly what the five escapees from the burning of the Shaolin Temple did to create WC.
It is currently perfect, only the human factor lets it down. Oh guns more guns 
[QUOTE=k gledhill;1162952]It is currently perfect, only the human factor lets it down. Oh guns more guns :D[/QUOTE]
Lol, NO martial art is perfect. Not one.
[QUOTE=anerlich;1162938]Please don’t rush on my account.
If I had to create a new combat system (an unlikely scenario requiring extraordinary hubris), I’d look at everything that was around, not just one system, and try to distil it into something simple and effective.
Which is allegedly what the five escapees from the burning of the Shaolin Temple did to create WC.[/QUOTE]
my new style of hooking fighting…will have weapons such as
1.sawed off shot gun
2. glock
3. uzi
4. hammers and Ax
5. Machetes and Butcher Knives
I will be coming to your town to test the effectiveness of our new system
[QUOTE=mun hung;1162923]If you had to create the art of Wing Chun all over again, what would you include and exclude this time around? Would you create another form with things that are currently not in the current ones? Would you add grappling, boxing or whatever? How about more weapons?[/QUOTE]
You ever heard of Bruce Lee? Read his TAO of JKD. The issues you guys seem to debate have been answered a very long time ago. JKD is just a name for “fighting”, it is not a specific style. Doesnt matter what style it came from, if you can use it, then train it. Nothing else matters. Train to fight, not to perfect forms.
[QUOTE=Niersun;1162972]You ever heard of Bruce Lee? Read his TAO of JKD. The issues you guys seem to debate have been answered a very long time ago. JKD is just a name for “fighting”, it is not a specific style. Doesnt matter what style it came from, if you can use it, then train it. Nothing else matters. Train to fight, not to perfect forms.[/QUOTE]
Actually Bruce just popularized it but people been doing this long before him. For instance, in Mande Muda silat, my first style, late Pak Herman’s dad combined many styles of Silat to come up with a more complete style to cover from standup striking to wrestling to ground fighting.
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;1162954]Lol, NO martial art is perfect. Not one.[/QUOTE]
The theory of Wing Chun works flawlessly, if, you can implement it without any errors. But the theory is only a theory and it does not mean anything if you can not make it work. During battle your system may be the best theory, but if your skill level is below the level of skill of your opponent, you simply lose. No theory of the world will not save you from defeat. " WSL
[QUOTE=free2flow;1162987]Actually Bruce just popularized it but people been doing this long before him. For instance, in Mande Muda silat, my first style, late Pak Herman’s dad combined many styles of Silat to come up with a more complete style to cover from standup striking to wrestling to ground fighting.[/QUOTE]
What does that have to do with Wing Chun? I’m not familiar with Silat so i cant comment there.
Combining styles to create another style and forms has been around for yonks, but JKD is not a style nor does it promote practicing forms.
I will be coming to your town to test the effectiveness of our new system
Good luck at airport security, and in jail.
[QUOTE=Niersun;1162990]Combining styles to create another style and forms has been around for yonks, but JKD is not a style nor does it promote practicing forms.[/QUOTE]
At some point in time before I found my current preferences in martial arts, I studied JKD Concepts (Inosanto’s way) for 4 years. Looking back, I could say if you consider forms as a method of solo practice to ingrain moves and principles then practicing forms was encouraged. We did practice a bunch of short sequences in a wooden dummy.
[QUOTE=Niersun;1162990]What does that have to do with Wing Chun? I’m not familiar with Silat so i cant comment there.[/QUOTE]
My bad, sorry :).
Silat is a generic name for martial arts practiced in Indonesia, Southern Philippines, Malaysia and some parts of Thailand I believe. Just refer to our good friend Mr. Youtube :).
[QUOTE=anerlich;1162938]Please don’t rush on my account.
If I had to create a new combat system (an unlikely scenario requiring extraordinary hubris), I’d look at everything that was around, not just one system, and try to distil it into something simple and effective.[/QUOTE]
Didn’t we already have an system like that … I think it’s called Wing Chun or something like that.
[QUOTE=Yoshiyahu;1162964]my new style of hooking fighting…will have weapons such as
1.sawed off shot gun
2. glock
3. uzi
4. hammers and Ax
5. Machetes and Butcher Knives
[/QUOTE]
As for weapons, you forgotten to include hookers. You’re wondering why the hell would you include hookers … why my dear, to do your fighting for you.
[QUOTE=mun hung;1162923]If you had to create the art of Wing Chun all over again, what would you include and exclude this time around? Would you create another form with things that are currently not in the current ones? Would you add grappling, boxing or whatever? How about more weapons?[/QUOTE]
There are some glaring holes in WC, just like there are in every system.
I wouldn’t have to create a “new” WC, just allow my WC to evolve to meet the demands I was imposing on it/me.
[QUOTE=free2flow;1163011]At some point in time before I found my current preferences in martial arts, I studied JKD Concepts (Inosanto’s way) for 4 years. Looking back, I could say if you consider forms as a method of solo practice to ingrain moves and principles then practicing forms was encouraged. We did practice a bunch of short sequences in a wooden dummy.[/QUOTE]
Inosanto teaches JKD as a style, he has stated this himself. Enough said. I respect him, but he hasnt been able to teach it as it should be taught and has muddled the water.
Simply it should be MMA training with foul tactics. Whether Wing Chun techniques is incorporated, well thats up to you.
[QUOTE=Niersun;1163148]Inosanto teaches JKD as a style, he has stated this himself. Enough said. I respect him, but he hasnt been able to teach it as it should be taught and has muddled the water.
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A good friend of mine whom I trained together before in Inosanto Concepts. Like me, he’s now moved on and is now training MMA fighters. He’s also an instructor under Tim Tacket and currently trains with one of Ted Wongs senior student. We always have lengthy conversation regarding JKD groups and his experience with Tim Tackets method and Ted Wong’s. Not a single time he said Inosanto hasn’t been able to teach it as it should. If your experience with Inosanto is with seminars, videos then I can understand your comment on him :). As for myself, I don’t feel to have enough experience in JKD to make an assessment on Inosanto’s inability to teach as it should be.
When I started this thread, I really meant for it to be serious. But like many other topics on this board this has somehow gone astray.
Let’s start again. Knowing what you know now, if you were to create a “new art” (we don’t need to give it a name) what principals and theories would you include in it, how would you teach it, would there be forms, weapons, what kind of horse, and most importantly - for what reason? Everything must be logical.
No firearms, grenades or anything stupid please. And no more JKD talk (we know that doesn’t work LOL).
Let’s begin with concepts and ideas for this art before we even talk about the actual training of it.
I’ll start.
Efficiency - the art must be efficient so that one can accomplish the most with the least amount of effort. And for many reasons. Fast results and conservation of energy would be top factors. And because it must be efficient, I think that some of the movements need to be direct such as perhaps a linear punch with force driven by the elbow but backed up by the structural strength of the shoulder. I feel that there are advantages of having the fist in the vertical position when it is thrown. I feel that holding the fist in a vertical position feels quite natural and allows the elbow to drop and point downwards offering the ribcage some protection as the punch is thrown as well as it’s return.
Anyone want to add to this one? If not, we can start on other theories.
Let’s begin with concepts and ideas for this art before we even talk about the actual training of it.
I’ll start.
Efficiency - the art must be efficient so that one can accomplish the most with the least amount of effort. And for many reasons. Fast results and conservation of energy would be top factors. And because it must be efficient, I think that some of the movements need to be direct such as perhaps a linear punch with force driven by the elbow but backed up by the structural strength of the shoulder. I feel that there are advantages of having the fist in the vertical position when it is thrown. I feel that holding the fist in a vertical position feels quite natural and allows the elbow to drop and point downwards offering the ribcage some protection as the punch is thrown as well as it’s return.
Anyone want to add to this one? If not, we can start on other theories.
Im not sure where you are going here. WC is WC, if you were to redesign it then its not WC.
And why do you need to talk “theories”, efficiency, use of structure, transfer of body weight etc etc is the cornerstone of ANY martial art.
Its how they want to implement those theories that differentiates them.
Do you want a striking style, grappling style, kicking style etc?