Hey Ron I found Some Video of You doing a form
Lol! Seriously? That vid was filmed way back in 95 not long after a return from Naha-shi. The form is a small section of the Okinawan Nepai (Chinese: Ershibabu) and I was very young if I recall I was about 30??? Taught to me by Yabiku Takaya whose “Hakutsuru” was more Chinese than Okinawan. this form, he claimed, came to him via two guys: Wong O’gan Pyon and a Chinese guy Zhuan Ping. Truth is, its largely rubbish! I haven’t practiced that form since that year.
Here is some footage of me doing our “Open” (Level 1 of 3) version of SanZhan Ba Xian Zhang:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bq_brh6zas
This is one of the closing sections of our Fanq Qiniang Shou Form:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBKHYb90lBw
And one of my young guys doing pole:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULtmCQ7aL0M
None of us are very special or all that good!
[QUOTE=Minghequan;1265074]Kellen, I’m not interested in some form of one up-manship or Internet P#ssing Contest.
I’m not into putting people down for the sake of my own ego or to score a few points with other posters.[/QUOTE]
Nor am I.
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So lets leave it at that shall we?
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Fair enough…I don’t try to make anything personal, just stating the fact that the link between Fujian and Okinawan MA is well known.
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However, you did not answer my question regarding just how much Fuzhou White Crane you have personally experienced and what Okinawan Martial Arts you have studied?[/QUOTE]
I do not have White Crane background. I do have a background in Go Ju Ryu.
How long have you done Goju-Ryu and is it the Okinawan or Japanese variant??? What form of Goju-Ryu?
So you haven’t done any White Crane? That’s interesting. I don’t wish to be demeaning here but how can you speak on behalf of an art you have never done?
[QUOTE=Minghequan;1265123]How long have you done Goju-Ryu and is it the Okinawan or Japanese variant??? What form of Goju-Ryu?
So you haven’t done any White Crane? That’s interesting. I don’t wish to be demeaning here but how can you speak on behalf of an art you have never done?[/QUOTE]
It seems to me that he is not “speaking of behalf” of White Crane, just as I am not “speaking on behalf” of White Crane when I say it shares lots of similarities to WCK. If you own a Lexus do you have to also own a Mercedes when you compare your Lexus to a similar model Mercedes? If you have a degree in Engineering to you also have to have a degree in Physics to talk about how similar the two disciplines are at times? Would you be “speaking on behalf” of WCK if you said it didn’t share similarities with White Crane?
It seems to me that he is not “speaking of behalf” of White Crane, just as I am not “speaking on behalf” of White Crane when I say it shares lots of similarities to WCK. If you own a Lexus do you have to also own a Mercedes when you compare your Lexus to a similar model Mercedes? If you have a degree in Engineering to you also have to have a degree in Physics to talk about how similar the two disciplines are at times? Would you be “speaking on behalf” of WCK if you said it didn’t share similarities with White Crane?
Hey KPM, I don’t want to come across as disrespectful here but why don’t you let Kellen Bassette actually reply to the questions put forward???
Now that would be a novel approach!
That’s the inherent problem with forums, too many chef’s and not enough cooks in the kitchen or in this case too many Masters, not enough learners.
And also the usual “Pack-Dog” mentality which see’s everyone and their pet budgie jump in!
Look at your own defence of Hendrik against this very same thing and now your jumping in on me? Just a differing viewpoint to all maybe:confused:
Now to the actual subject, you are comparing White Crane and Okinawa Arts to a Lexus and a Mercedes … really? I mean … really???
And you have an idea of Okinawan Arts and Crane how? Don’t justify, just answer the question put forward.
You “Martial Artists” (I’m not one, just a Seeker of the Way) are a funny type of beast! So easily bent out of shape over so little. I wonder how that works?
Me, happy all the time, lovely family, extremely happy with my pursuits in life so maybe the lesson is really don’t sweat the small stuff.
It’s only a forum. It’s only Martial Arts. Just enjoy the communication and leave out the habitual and consistent “point-scoring” and maybe we would all be better off for it! 
Just a suggestion … 
hahahaha this thread got interesting.
As far as the connection between the two styles goes I recently watched that kung fu quest series and it seems that both white crane masters and the okinawan masters and grand masters all agreed that the karate came from some branch of the white crane school, so theres that…
Just my 2 cents.
[B]Hey KPM, I don’t want to come across as disrespectful here but why don’t you let Kellen Bassette actually reply to the questions put forward???
Now that would be a novel approach![/B]
Well Ron, I don’t mean to be disrespectful either. But I think you’re full of cr@p!
[B]That’s the inherent problem with forums, too many chef’s and not enough cooks in the kitchen or in this case too many Masters, not enough learners.
And also the usual “Pack-Dog” mentality which see’s everyone and their pet budgie jump in! [/B]
Here is exactly what I’m talking about. I think that way too often people here don’t speak up in support of someone else. Take my recent exchange with our HFY colleagues as an example. I had 3 different HFY guys telling me I was wrong. Yet I know the majority of non-HFY people reading along were very likely agreeing with everything I said. But no one really spoke up until near the end. To the HFY guys that made it sound like I was “off the wall” or “out there” and not speaking for a pretty common viewpoint. Too often on this forum people are unwilling to back each other up. That’s all I was doing. I thought your comment to Kellen was out of line, so I spoke up and said something. This is a free discussion forum. Anyone is welcome to chime in with a comment or opinion. If you didn’t want anyone else as part of the conversation then you should have responded to Kellen via Private Message.
I also felt justified in speaking up because you had made this comment on another thread:
[B]I had said:
The link with White Crane should be pretty obvious, given the many similarities we share.
You responded:
Confused a little, are you saying you do White Crane here?[/B]
No, I wasn’t saying I studied White Crane, and that should have been pretty obvious. “We” in the comment above referring to “we WCK people”, since this is after all a WCK forum. So my assumption was that you were saying I couldn’t make comparisons to White Crane if I didn’t study White Crane, just as you were implying that Kellen couldn’t comment on White Crane if he wasn’t studying it.
Look at your own defence of Hendrik against this very same thing and now your jumping in on me? Just a differing viewpoint to all maybe:confused:
What are saying? I came to the defence of Hendrik because the accusations towards him just weren’t adding up and it was an obvious smear campaign. Just has I chimed in to back up Kellen when I thought your comment was inappropriate.
Now to the actual subject, you are comparing White Crane and Okinawa Arts to a Lexus and a Mercedes … really? I mean … really???
Are you saying you can’t follow a simple analogy? Really? I mean…really???
And you have an idea of Okinawan Arts and Crane how? Don’t justify, just answer the question put forward.
Ah! I guess my prior post went completely over your head! :rolleyes:
You “Martial Artists” (I’m not one, just a Seeker of the Way) are a funny type of beast! So easily bent out of shape over so little. I wonder how that works?
Now hold on Ron. It seems to me that YOU are the one that was just “bent out of shape”! Calling me out for speaking up for Kellen…throwing around comments about just where we all studied White Crane and so how dare we express an opinion or any knowledge of the subject! Really!
You need to practice what your preach buddy! 
Thanks for being so polite and nice by saying that I am full of “Cr@p” … Make a lot of friends that way do you? Your Wude is great!
Keith it wouldn’t matter what I wrote as you would simply twist it your way. You seem to have a lot invested in this despite your total lack of knowledge of White Crane.
Me? Well life goes on.
So lets agree to disagree and leave it at that.
Have a nice day!
Thanks for being so polite and nice by saying that I am full of “Cr@p” … Make a lot of friends that way do you? Your Wude is great!
Really?? Again?? I will refer to my previous comment about “practicing what you preach”!!! Let me remind you of your comments that I was responding to:
why don’t you let Kellen Bassette actually reply to the questions put forward???
Now that would be a novel approach!
the usual “Pack-Dog” mentality You "Martial Artists"And you have an idea of Okinawan Arts and Crane how? Don’t justify, just answer the question put forward.
Keith it wouldn’t matter what I wrote as you would simply twist it your way. You seem to have a lot invested in this despite your total lack of knowledge of White Crane.
Me? Well life goes on.
So lets agree to disagree and leave it at that.
Have a nice day![/QUOTE]
Sorry for the repost guys. For some reason the system won’t let me edit the post above and even requote and start over. Weird. Anyway…
Ron, let me point out what you said and what I was replying to:
“what don’t you let Kellen reply…that would be a novel approach!” …thinly veiled sarcasm (I’m guilty of the same)
“the usual pack-dog mentality”…you’re accusing me of being a “pack-dog”? Really?
“you Martial Artists!” …you? as in “I’m so much different from the rest of you?” ???
“you have any idea of the Okinawan arts and Crane how? Don’t justify, just answer the question put forward!” … I addressed this in my prior post. Ignoring what I said and making such an accusatory and demanding post seems kind of rude. Don’t you think?
So now you tell me how you are any more “polite and nice” and have better “Wude” than me!!!
Keith,
Whatever man! It’s only a forum … don’t shoot your load over it.
I have written verifiable notes of Master Ruan Dong in which he talks about the little to no real link between Karate and White Crane and about the Chinese Government … but then what would he know??? … he was just a dedicated White Crane practitioner for all of his life up until his sad passing (2010) … go figure!
I guess you know more about it all then he did even though he actually lived it … again, go figure! 
Don’t believe it? Well that’s your cross to bear not mine and I don’t think that even if Ruan Dong himself came back from the great beyond and told you this personally that you would believe him anyhow … call it a hunch! :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Minghequan;1265191]Keith,
Whatever man! It’s only a forum … don’t shoot your load over it.
I have written verifiable notes of Master Ruan Dong in which he talks about the little to no real link between Karate and White Crane and about the Chinese Government … but then what would he know??? … he was just a dedicated White Crane practitioner for all of his life up until his sad passing (2010) … go figure!
I guess you know more about it all then he did even though he actually lived it … again, go figure! 
Don’t believe it? Well that’s your cross to bear not mine and I don’t think that even if Ruan Dong himself came back from the great beyond and told you this personally that you would believe him anyhow … call it a hunch! :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Does the continued discussion of white crane relationship to karate. Ruan Dong etc really belong to a wing chun lst?
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Does the continued discussion of white crane relationship to karate. Ruan Dong etc really belong to a wing chun lst?[/QUOTE]
I don’t think so. And I was really addressing the idea that Ron thinks “we” WCK people can’t comment on similarities with White Crane without having studied White Crane in-depth. I could care less about the White Crane/Karate connection. But despite what Ruan Dong may have written, there seems to be plenty of people who don’t agree with him. The real point of contention is this idea that no one has the right to comment about another martial art without having studied said art in-depth. That’s just silly. And Ron saying I am rude and inpolite with poor “Wude” and that we all shouldn’t be getting “bent out of shape”, when the guy really needs to be taking a hard look in the mirror! That’s all!
[QUOTE=KPM;1265198]I don’t think so. And I was really addressing the idea that Ron thinks “we” WCK people can’t comment on similarities with White Crane without having studied White Crane in-depth. I could care less about the White Crane/Karate connection. But despite what Ruan Dong may have written, there seems to be plenty of people who don’t agree with him. The real point of contention is this idea that no one has the right to comment about another martial art without having studied said art in-depth. That’s just silly. And Ron saying I am rude and inpolite with poor “Wude” and that we all shouldn’t be getting “bent out of shape”, when the guy really needs to be taking a hard look in the mirror! That’s all! :)[/QUOTE]
Good points!!
Karate is nothing more than a simplified White Crane .
[QUOTE=zuti car;1265202]Karate is nothing more than a simplified White Crane .[/QUOTE]
IMO- the absorption of aspects of crane into the synthesis of wing chun belongs here.
But discussion of karate relationship to crane belongs in the southern forum- don’t you think.
Why muddle up the wing chun forum more than it already is the case?
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IMO- the absorption of aspects of crane into the synthesis of wing chun belongs here.
But discussion of karate relationship to crane belongs in the southern forum- don’t you think.
Why muddle up the wing chun forum more than it already is the case?[/QUOTE]
I agree , that is why i wrote this , I hope people will understand
I agree.
Keith your a good guy! Maybe a little misguided but a real good guy so lets move on shall we!
[QUOTE=Minghequan;1265238]I agree.
Keith your a good guy! Maybe a little misguided but a real good guy so lets move on shall we![/QUOTE]
Whatever Ron! Sure, let’s move on. Looking forward to your input from a White Crane perspective in future discussions. Its nice to have a “distant cousin” to us WCK types here to contribute.