The conceits of some Kung Fu people

Talking about things teachers do to keep their style hidden, and the utter uselessness of it in the modern era.

“I didn’t teach him the real style”

Really? So you conned a paying customer? How nice. Remember when you called your students friends/family? You were lying. The fact that you had to say so speaks volumes.

“I alter the form in demos”

This is a leftover from the era when people stole forms and taught, something that doesn’t pay the water bill these days. Knowing a form is little, and anyone worth their salt can figure out that steps 1-88 all work a lot of things you’ve worked on the body mechanics of for years, step 89 looks like a waddle, and steps 90-108 look like something you worked hard on again.

“I don’t teach the real style until after these seven forms that I made up.”

It must be embarrasing that your students would know more about moving in relation to another human had they taken salsa lessons over your six or seven forms, and that, even after you teach them the real style, they’ll have to train and teach 7/8 of their time in things that have no basis in usage.

And I’m not joking about salsa lessons. Every time they move in relation to one another, every time you do form you’re not, and the two man sets, after years of other stuff, don’t exactly make up the difference.

“I move well, so and so doesn’t look like he could move.”

Fighting seems to have more to do with moving in relation to others than how we move on our own. Athleticism is cool, but moving well at one thing does not relate to reading and moving in relation to others.

Add your own as you remember them, this is not an attack on kung fu, just remembering the old days, and having a beer in honor of their demise. I’m all for preserving the USAGE of every style possible, and care not one bit about preserving any other part over that.

I never understood any of that and I hope I never will.
Anyone I train is able to fight in a question of weeks, able to fight well in a question of months and able to hold their own VS a trained fighter in a year.
If not I am doing a horrible job, period.

Fighting seems to have more to do with moving in relation to others than how we move on our own. Athleticism is cool, but moving well at one thing does not relate to reading and moving in relation to others.

Very well said.

I forgot to mention the importance of suggesting that your rivals will become impotent from the way they tuck their sacrum.

In Sanjuro-Ronin’s case, if he were only more internal, his ip bags would get rubbed a lot more.

[QUOTE=KC Elbows;1094063]I forgot to mention the importance of suggesting that your rivals will become impotent from the way they tuck their sacrum.

In Sanjuro-Ronin’s case, if he were only more internal, his ip bags would get rubbed a lot more.[/QUOTE]

I will present your suggestion to the wife, anything is worth a try !

[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1094066]I will present your suggestion to the wife, anything is worth a try ![/QUOTE]

I’d hate to think I was the cause of ip bags not getting the rubbing they need in two countries.

Artists usually go on about how it is hard to mix business with art.

It is mostly hard because they never were taught how to conduct business in art school.

In an odd way, this applies here as well.

Do people REALLY talk like that? i don’t believe that ****. you’re joking right?

[QUOTE=hskwarrior;1094117]Do people REALLY talk like that? i don’t believe that ****. you’re joking right?[/QUOTE]

Actually, each of the examples I used are almost direct quotes I’ve heard.

[QUOTE=KC Elbows;1094053]
This is a leftover from the era when people stole forms and taught, something that doesn’t pay the water bill these days. [/QUOTE]
1965-1970 hong kong

[QUOTE=bawang;1094129]1965-1970 hong kong[/QUOTE]

I have trust issues with Chinese.

[QUOTE=Drake;1094133]I have trust issues with Chinese.[/QUOTE]

You gonna finish that sentence?

[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1094148]You gonna finish that sentence?[/QUOTE]

Food?

???

i went to si chuan restarurant last week, i shat blood.

[QUOTE=bawang;1094157]i went to si chuan restarurant last week, i shat blood.[/QUOTE]

You digest like ABC.

[QUOTE=Drake;1094154]Food?

???[/QUOTE]

I would’ve gone for:

lead toys

factory owners

cosmetic products

political structure

geopolitical aspirations

Food

so, yes, food was on the list, it’s still your turn. :stuck_out_tongue:

yes, there are many concealing hands or hidden hands in just about every posture in kung fu.

they are revealed as you advance in any school.

they are not really hidden in the beginning.

just when you learn the basic moves and as you advance

more are evident or revealing to you.

just the stages of learning one must go thru

not really the teacher is hiding anything from you from the very beginning.

:cool:

[QUOTE=SPJ;1094217]yes, there are many concealing hands or hidden hands in just about every posture in kung fu.

[/QUOTE]
nope mbjbbjh

You make a good enough point about teaching alternates to less favored students.
Ethically, one probably should not accept them at all, instead of teaching them a good enough fighting style for the bread and butter.

They are bread and butter students in mcdojo’s and in private schools.
But if we decline all but master’s choice, we deny B&B students the potential opportunity to win status after they have proven themselves. We do not always credit someone at first with what they demonstrate to us later.

We also cut out the funding that allows all the students to study in style, which is another reason private studios accept public students. I do not think it is fair to exploit anyone, but there are people who can not handle some knowledge but are still able to learn it.

I think as long as the student is getting more than a fair deal from you what you teach to who is teacher’s business.

I read a really good book recently that was nothing to do with martial arts - but the author made a point about people who borrow evidence from the future - from stuff that hasn’t even happened yet - and how bogus that is.

That’s just what so many CMAers do and not just CMAers - though, they are usually the most useless looking, fat, laughable ones of them all, hence they spring to mind more easily - ALL their proof is in the future, when they’ll kick your ass, or, what they’ll do when out on the street and get attacked…

The really big divide in martial arts, now, is people whose evidence is already presented, and people whose evidence is somewhere in the future. Unless of course, someone actually DOES turn up at their gym, in which case ‘call security!’ or ‘Hey, even though I said come to my gym for a fight any time, I’m now going to portray you as a thug who turns up to people’s classes for a fight! I’ve got to do something to distract attention from my embarrassment!’

LMAO

[QUOTE=KC Elbows;1094118]Actually, each of the examples I used are almost direct quotes I’ve heard.[/QUOTE]

You hear themall the time - even this forum you hear ridiculous stuff regularly, and people put up ridiculous videos as a matter of course.

Over the years, frauds learn how to ‘manage’ criticism - so they learn all these daft sayings and ways of turning it all on the people with common sense who see through the fraud. Of course, the standard is, well where’s YOUR video of you doing the amazing thing I’m pretending to do for REAL??

Er, well, I’m not pretending to do an amazing thing. We end up treating Tracy Emin as equivalent to Leonardo Da Vinci because people can say hey, where’s your masterpiece? Er, I haven’t got one, but that just shows Emin is as crap as me, not as good as Leonardo.

My favourite is the way you can get a bloc of mutually supporting frauds, so they can say ‘hey, he’s highly respected! Just ask anyone round here…’ Er, yeah… but, highly respected by whom? You? Lol..

Second only to when one fraud attacks another one - as a fruad! LMAO!

Isn’t it funny though, how disproportinately these people are attracted to set-ups where real skill is ‘hidden’??? Lol. What a multitude of sins that hides.