You would know Shaolin.
There are many stamping feet Zhen Jiao and leg sweeps, Sao tui.
It is like 65 % in every routine or form.
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Shaolin Quan Fa;
What is the main character?
Sao Tui Duo. Leg sweeps many.
There are tornado kicks in Shaolin and even Tai Ji.
Does TKD do a tornado kick?
Xuan Fen Tui are in all schools of CMA.
Originally posted by SPJ
[B]You would know Shaolin.
There are many stamping feet Zhen Jiao and leg sweeps, Sao tui.
It is like 65 % in every routine or form. [/B]
I would categorize those more as leg attacks than kicks. They are intended to destroy your opponents balance rather than inflict damage like when you strike.
If you include leg attacks as “kicks” then I can see your argument. However, the TKD that I am familiar with is more about striking the opponents body with a kick. Not destroying his root.
Does TKD do a tornado kick?
Yes, I saw one used effectively, no hands involved, in a real fight.
TKD has alot of kicks that look a lot like alot of other arts. The leg can only do so many things on the human body so while they might be called different things you’d probably recognize quite a bit even if you studied another art.
Most TKD people train for tournemants and you score more for kicks. This makes most TKD people excel at kicks compared to their equivelants in other sports, but weaker using their hands. of course you’d never see a submission grappler complain about using grappling techniques 90% of the time 
Agreed.
Originally posted by red5angel
[B]Yes, I saw one used effectively, no hands involved, in a real fight.
Who was the fight against and what were the circumstances?
Originally posted by SPJ
Agreed.
With me or red5?
The first fight involved a small korean guy against a much much larger opponent. I"d say Kit, a freind of mine, weighed in around 130lbs and was about 5’2", Chad, his opponent, was around 260lbs, 6’2" or more and was a football player/wrestler. They squared off, Chad threw a couple of punches and Kit hit him with a tornado kick, in the face, that took Chad out of the fight.
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Originally posted by red5angel
The first fight involved a small korean guy against a much much larger opponent. I"d say Kit, a freind of mine, weighed in around 130lbs and was about 5’2", Chad, his opponent, was around 260lbs, 6’2" or more and was a football player/wrestler. They squared off, Chad threw a couple of punches and Kit hit him with a tornado kick, in the face, that took Chad out of the fight.
Interesting story Red5.
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This is a pretty interesting thread, personally I know someone who would probably break your ribs using TKD if you stepped up. But hey, im not proposing a match. Its just a fact, hes good, he knows hes good. He practices for comp and for actual combat effect. He also is in my Shaolin school. Its like I always say (it always seems to come back to this) “Its not the martial art that makes the martial artist, its the martial artist that makes the martial art”. Now I dont count myself among the sage elite, but I am pretty confident that those words of mine hold some truthfull wisdom, just a smidge at least. I have sparred with him, him using his TKD, and me using the shaolin. There are some pretty deceptive moves in TKD and some pretty powerfull ones to boot. My teacher teaches us to achknowledge, and respect each martial art for its diversity, uniqueness and tradition. For this attitude lies along the path of enlightenment. But of course some of us never said we wanted any sort of enlightenment did we?
in the shaolin longfist school I went to they had TKD classes as well. The instructor there ws this little guy, about 5’7", probably around 130lbs or so. His kicks were so fast it was insane, I’ve never seen anyone kick faster. He kicked me once sparring (by the way, this guys hands were pretty good too but he studied traditional TKD with emphasis on the sport) and he kicked me hard enough to know if weren’t wearing the chest protector I probably would have went down.
Originally posted by PangQuan
This is a pretty interesting thread, personally I know someone who would probably break your ribs using TKD if you stepped up. But hey, im not proposing a match. Its just a fact, hes good, he knows hes good. He practices for comp and for actual combat effect. He also is in my Shaolin school.
Why is he in your Shaoln school?
Originally posted by red5angel
in the shaolin longfist school I went to they had TKD classes as well.
Why?
Because he views it as this, “TKD and other various similar sport related martial arts are for people, TCMA is for martial artists” Thats the way he tried to explain it to me when i asked him the very same question you now pose. You know hes the kind of guy who is constantly looking for ways to improve, once he saw what shaolin wushu is capable of doing for an individual, he decided it would be good for his training and life in general, (can you blame him?) Of course he has put in so much time to his TKD, he cannot just stop, especially when hes really good.
These days it’s cheaper to have several classes held in one school. The longfist school I attended had Traditional and Wushu training from one teacher. Taichi from the same teacher and another instructor taught TKD.