Techniques that you have never used

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[QUOTE=GeneChing;1216754]…maybe that’s because I never quite got the splits. Nevertheless, they appear in a few of my Bak Sil Lum forms.

Didn’t I just say that two posts above yours? :stuck_out_tongue: I’ve seen other people use flying kicks. I’ve just never used them for anything practical beyond showing off. I was never that confident with my high kicks, much less my flying ones. :o[/QUOTE]

I haven’t purposefully thumbed an eye either :slight_smile: Or bitten someone. :slight_smile:

Also, I don’t think I’ve ever used a low leg sweep with any success, but I have used a short bearded hook step to good success. Basically a short sweep/kick. Works great when you are standing and touching/maneuvering for position of strength.

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Well, I got you there.

[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1216760]I haven’t purposefully thumbed an eye either :slight_smile: Or bitten someone. :)[/QUOTE]
I have purposefully thumbed an eye. See Biters vs. Fighters.

I have also purposefully bitten some one.

But she bit first. :wink:

Seriously, you train biting?

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I never trained Xing Yi, but I sparred someone who used Pi Chuan against me very successfully. He was much larger and more powerful than me, but I think the main reason I had so much difficulty was because of my unfamiliarity with the technique/concept.

I have used the back spinning sweep successfully. It needs to be set up and is difficult to pull off, but it’s doable. I intend to train it seriously and master the move. (Note to self, start that already!)

I have used various flying kicks while sparring, but rarely. I love them for a training method, however. To me they are the same as their “regular” versions, only done in the air for increased difficulty and training coordination.

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I think the “ground sweep” is to “use the maximum effort to achieve the minimum result”. All your opponent needs to do is to lift his leg and let your sweep to pass under.

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[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1216829]I think the “ground sweep” is to “use the maximum effort to achieve the minimum result”. All your opponent needs to do is to lift his leg and let your sweep to pass under.[/QUOTE]

I think it is useless against an on-balance opponent. My best luck with it was by setting it up with a kick to the opposite leg, to force the weight on the leg you are sweeping. It’s very risky and tough to pull off, but when it works, it’s a thing of beauty.

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[QUOTE=Syn7;1216752]Likewise I have used spinning elbow but never a backfist.[/QUOTE]

Rarely used spinning backfist, but landed it one time when I was still doing Kenpo.

The other guy’s teeth cut all the way through his upper lip.

He got stitched up and the next day the teacher found out and yelled at him for not wearing a mouth guard. And I had to clean all the blood we left all over the mats.

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[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1216619]Let’s leave health, performance, self-cultivation, and inner peace out of this discussion.

Does the following bother you?

  • Your XingYi teacher asked you to do Pi Chuan everyday.
  • You have spent all your life working on Pi Chuan.
  • Oneday you get old and look back.
  • You realize that you have never used your Pi Chuan in any sparring or street fight.
  • You start to wonder if you have spent the same amount training time in you jab, cross, uppercut, hook combo all those years, will you be more happy about yourself in your old age?

Oneday when you become a teacher. Will you teach your students how to do “Pi Chuan”, or will you teach your students how to do “jab, cross, uppercut, hook”?

The “jab, cross, uppercut, hook” may not be in your system. But how hard will it be for you to put it into your system (or just put into your own body and forget about your system)?

Have you ever look back and count how many teachniques that you have trained but never being used?[/QUOTE]

I have used Pi Chuan in every contest, ring or street, I have ever been involved with as have my students. If this concept of Pi is not found useful, I would hazard a guess that it is not well understood by the person attempting to apply same.

Too often, people become “hung” on the notion of the action and forget to apply the concept. It should be understood that by attempting to apply “actions” one learns over time how to apply “concept.” After that, actions are of no real use other than to teach others.

Combat is a chaotic event. If you’re looking for that “picture perfect technique/kodak moment” then get used to dissapointment. However, if you look to applied concept, well then… now you have something to work with.

That’s not to say that I eschew jab, cross, uppercut, hook by any means. :slight_smile:

Just my two cents.

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[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1216760]I haven’t purposefully thumbed an eye either :slight_smile: Or bitten someone. :slight_smile:

Also, I don’t think I’ve ever used a low leg sweep with any success, but I have used a short bearded hook step to good success. Basically a short sweep/kick. Works great when you are standing and touching/maneuvering for position of strength.[/QUOTE]

I stuck my thumb in the eye of an aikido teacher who said he could beat me by sticking his thumbs in my eyes. I jammed my thumb in and said “I can do that too, bro!”

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[QUOTE=GeneChing;1216781]

Seriously, you train biting?[/QUOTE]

train? no, but I do test bite grip and jaw strength (bite rope and hang) on occasion.

Biting is a legit thing, I’ve never used it. :slight_smile:

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YouKnowWho, if your are refering to Metal, the form or simply assuming the standing position, I have an easy answer for you: you either had a bad teacher, or you are a bad student. Excuse me for being confrontational, but after a “lifetime of training”, you should be able to answer any fighting situation with metal. Anything. I think you never put in the effort or time.

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[QUOTE=CicadaL9H;1216948]YouKnowWho, if your are refering to Metal, the form or simply assuming the standing position, I have an easy answer for you: you either had a bad teacher, or you are a bad student. Excuse me for being confrontational, but after a “lifetime of training”, you should be able to answer any fighting situation with metal. Anything. I think you never put in the effort or time.[/QUOTE]

This is awesome!

Always a treat when someone admonishes and chastises a world class Shuai chiao sifu in such a presumptive and suppositional manner.

John Wang, apparently your half a century of study and practice in traditional chinese martial arts was wrong according to this guy. What have you got to say for yourself?

:D:p

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  1. In Xing Yi 5 element fist

Pi Beng Zhuan Pao Heng

Pi was considered the first and the last posture or most important

The root structure sort of

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  1. for me

Beng is the toughest one to do correctly

well some would say they are all difficult to do correctly

  1. and yes

in the old time, some would just do Pi for years.

and actually use Beng more.

  1. fast and direct ones (techniques) are used more with more success rate.

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Just to point out

where the first post comes from or is based upon

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:slight_smile:

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[QUOTE=CicadaL9H;1216948]YouKnowWho, if your are refering to Metal, the form or simply assuming the standing position, I have an easy answer for you: you either had a bad teacher, or you are a bad student. Excuse me for being confrontational, but after a “lifetime of training”, you should be able to answer any fighting situation with metal. Anything. I think you never put in the effort or time.[/QUOTE]
The XingYi Pi Chuan is just one example to be used for discussion. It can be:

  • Taiji “single whip”,
  • Longfist “tornado kick”,
  • SC “hand harmony”,
  • …

I assume if I use the SC “hand harmony” or longfist “tornado kick” as example, you may say that I also have a bad SC/longfist teacher, and I’m also a bad SC/longfist student. :o

If you only have few tools in your toolbox, when an opportunity present to you, you will use whatever that you have in your toolbox to handle that situation. If you have more tools in your toolbox, when the same opportunity present to you, you will use your favor tools to handle that situation. After you have success with your favor tools, you will like to use those tools more and more. Soon, your favor tools will get better and better. Since you haven’t tested your unfavor tools enough, your unfavor tools will become less effective.

You can

  • write a book for 200 techniques (only pictures are needed).
  • produce a DVD for 100 techniques (you can keep filming until satisfied)
  • teach a workshop for 50 techniques (only slow motion are needed).
  • demo in public for 25 techniques (your opponent gives you the opportunity).
  • fight in the street/tournament for 10 techniques (you have to deal with resisted opponent).

We just can’t put effort and time in everything. If we try to master everything, we will end with nothing.

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[QUOTE=Mike Patterson;1216832]

Too often, people become “hung” on the notion of the action and forget to apply the concept. It should be understood that by attempting to apply “actions” one learns over time how to apply “concept.” After that, actions are of no real use other than to teach others.

Combat is a chaotic event. If you’re looking for that “picture perfect technique/kodak moment” then get used to dissapointment. However, if you look to applied concept, well then… now you have something to work with.

That’s not to say that I eschew jab, cross, uppercut, hook by any means. :slight_smile:

Just my two cents.[/QUOTE]

Worth much more than “two cents” it is one of the few diamonds among the pig shit here … and will be covered over in same far too quickly

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And the concept of the day is ???.

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"If you only have few tools in your toolbox, when an opportunity present to you, you will use whatever that you have in your toolbox to handle that situation. If you have more tools in your toolbox, when the same opportunity present to you, you will use your favor tools to handle that situation. After you have success with your favor tools, you will like to use those tools more and more. Soon, your favor tools will get better and better. Since you haven’t tested your unfavor tools enough, your unfavor tools will become less effective.

You can

  • write a book for 200 techniques (only pictures are needed).
  • produce a DVD for 100 techniques (you can keep filming until satisfied)
  • teach a workshop for 50 techniques (only slow motion are needed).
  • demo in public for 25 techniques (your opponent gives you the opportunity).
  • fight in the street/tournament for 10 techniques (you have to deal with resisted opponent).

We just can’t put effort and time in everything. If we try to master everything, we will end with nothing."

I agree sir. As you know, in Hsing-I, Metal is that one tool. Being the foundation of the entire system, every other tool in the bag derives from it.

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anything with bridging/wrist grab

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[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1216945] I do test bite grip and jaw strength (bite rope and hang) on occasion.[/QUOTE]
I’m guessing as a warm up right before you come on to moderate on the forum, he? ;):stuck_out_tongue:

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[QUOTE=taai gihk yahn;1217016]I’m guessing as a warm up right before you come on to moderate on the forum, he? ;):p[/QUOTE]

lol. Your humour, it is acceptable. :stuck_out_tongue:

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[QUOTE=bawang;1217015]anything with bridging/wrist grab[/QUOTE]

I’m not too sure about “bridging” now. Our mind will always change with time. “Today’s we” may not even agree with “last year’s we”. I used to like bridging until oneday I sparred with my senior SC brother. He refused to let my arms to touch his arms. The moment that I tried to under hook or over hook on him, the moment that his arm just spin with my arm. It gave me an uncomfortable feeling as if I’m fighting against the thin air. One moment his arm is there, next moment his arm is no longer there. After that I tried to give my opponent the same uncomfortable feeling too. I started to de-emphasised the “bridging” concept. It’s a 2 edges sword, when you can sense your opponent, your opponent can also sense you at the same time. If you can’t sense your opponent, you will never know when and where your opponent will appear, it will give you some scary feeling.

I start to emphasis more and more on wrist grabbing. If I can use one of my hands to grab one of my opponent’s wrist, I can soon turn a striking game into a grappling game. All I need is just one wrist grip. When my opponent tried to punch me with his free hand, I can use “combing hair” and move in. Since it’s to my advantage, I love to use that strategy.