Let’s leave health, performance, self-cultivation, and inner peace out of this discussion.
Does the following bother you?
Your XingYi teacher asked you to do Pi Chuan everyday.
You have spent all your life working on Pi Chuan.
Oneday you get old and look back.
You realize that you have never used your Pi Chuan in any sparring or street fight.
You start to wonder if you have spent the same amount training time in you jab, cross, uppercut, hook combo all those years, will you be more happy about yourself in your old age?
Oneday when you become a teacher. Will you teach your students how to do “Pi Chuan”, or will you teach your students how to do “jab, cross, uppercut, hook”?
The “jab, cross, uppercut, hook” may not be in your system. But how hard will it be for you to put it into your system (or just put into your own body and forget about your system)?
Have you ever look back and count how many teachniques that you have trained but never being used?
I’ve used pi quan in sparring. It’s great when your just playing hands.
I haven’t really used a full deep horse stance in any sparring or street fight. But I’ve used it a lot when taking a dump. Does that count? I’ve taken far more dumps than I’ve spent time sparring or in street fights.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1216619]Let’s leave health, performance, self-cultivation, and inner peace out of this discussion.
Does the following bother you?
Your XingYi teacher asked you to do Pi Chuan everyday.
You have spent all your life working on Pi Chuan.
Oneday you get old and look back.
You realize that you have never used your Pi Chuan in any sparring or street fight.
You start to wonder if you have spent the same amount training time in you jab, cross, uppercut, hook combo all those years, will you be more happy about yourself in your old age?
Oneday when you become a teacher. Will you teach your students how to do “Pi Chuan”, or will you teach your students how to do “jab, cross, uppercut, hook”?
The “jab, cross, uppercut, hook” may not be in your system. But how hard will it be for you to put it into your system (or just put into your own body and forget about your system)?
Have you ever look back and count how many teachniques that you have trained but never being used?[/QUOTE]
Maybe if you had done what your teacher told you to do “Practice Pi quan” then you would be more than adept enough with it to use it in combat or sparring.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1216619]Have you ever look back and count how many teachniques that you have trained but never being used?[/QUOTE]
Yes, many times.
I have, in fact, changed my teaching methods because of this thought. When I was young and had a thousand years to live I emphasized the “canon” of material at the expence of the simple core techniques. Now I emphasize the “seeds” and leave the rest for those interested in further study. I think the more elaborate techniques still offer great stuff for exposure to ideas but these can always be recreated as need arises.
[QUOTE=GeneChing;1216623]I haven’t really used a full deep horse stance in any sparring or street fight. But I’ve used it a lot when taking a dump. Does that count? I’ve taken far more dumps than I’ve spent time sparring or in street fights.[/QUOTE]
I think if you dump in the street, or on your boss’s desk, that’s more of a political statement.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1216619]Let’s leave health, performance, self-cultivation, and inner peace out of this discussion.
Does the following bother you?
Your XingYi teacher asked you to do Pi Chuan everyday.
You have spent all your life working on Pi Chuan.
Oneday you get old and look back.
You realize that you have never used your Pi Chuan in any sparring or street fight.
You start to wonder if you have spent the same amount training time in you jab, cross, uppercut, hook combo all those years, will you be more happy about yourself in your old age?
Oneday when you become a teacher. Will you teach your students how to do “Pi Chuan”, or will you teach your students how to do “jab, cross, uppercut, hook”?
The “jab, cross, uppercut, hook” may not be in your system. But how hard will it be for you to put it into your system (or just put into your own body and forget about your system)?
Have you ever look back and count how many teachniques that you have trained but never being used?[/QUOTE]
I don’t think this is a problem that happens in a school that engages in regular sparring and playing hands. It’s really not possible in a place that does that because reality does a fantastic job of weeding out the bull sh*t.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1216619]Let’s leave health, performance, self-cultivation, and inner peace out of this discussion.
Does the following bother you?
Your XingYi teacher asked you to do Pi Chuan everyday.
You have spent all your life working on Pi Chuan.
Oneday you get old and look back.
You realize that you have never used your Pi Chuan in any sparring or street fight.
You start to wonder if you have spent the same amount training time in you jab, cross, uppercut, hook combo all those years, will you be more happy about yourself in your old age?
Oneday when you become a teacher. Will you teach your students how to do “Pi Chuan”, or will you teach your students how to do “jab, cross, uppercut, hook”?
The “jab, cross, uppercut, hook” may not be in your system. But how hard will it be for you to put it into your system (or just put into your own body and forget about your system)?
Have you ever look back and count how many teachniques that you have trained but never being used?[/QUOTE]
No, why would I, unless I was on the wrong path, each step gets you closer to your destination , unless you are walking in circle.
Agreed. Reality also is great at pointing out what is used most frequently and what is better used as a supplement to the core methods of a system/style.
Trying to use a superman punch for example, will be much more successful if one has the base punching clinching and kicking skill set down and ,goes to the superman punch to change things up. The same could be said for kam choi, or flying arm bar if used as a fundamental without a well rounded, well developed base, the opponent will clue in very quickly to your game and adapt if you don’t get them the first time.
There are many things I have done in forms that I have never done in real life.
I don’t recall ever doing an “upward block” for example or most of the blocks I learned in Karate now that I think of it…
I have used pretty much every type of strike though.
I learned many throws in judo but have ever only used a handful of them.
Would I teach the others? Sure because maybe someone else night be able to use them, they may be better suited to them then for me.
[QUOTE=MightyB;1216663]Here’s my question for YouKnowWho…
If you could do it all over again, would you change what you did?[/QUOTE]
I would analysis all techniques and find a set of techniques that
fit my body type, and also
meet my own interest.
For example, I like toe push kick. I don’t like heel kick (it has shorter reach than toe push kick). I could spend my training time to make my toe push kick twice as good instead of to spend my training time to develop both kicks.
I’ll also totally ignore the longfist “360 degree forward and backward floor sweep” training and many similiar techniques developing like that …
I have trained so many TCMA styles in my life. As far as the punching skill, I still like:
jab, cross, jab (one step 3 punches),
running punch (3 steps 1 punch),
jab , cross, uppercut, hook,
hook, back fist, uppercut,
more than my longfist
cross, kick punch, jab,
kick punch, kick punch, jump kick punch, jab.
where kick punch is to kick one leg and punch the opposite hand at the same time.
[QUOTE=MightyB;1216657]I think if you dump in the street, or on your boss’s desk, that’s more of a political statement.[/QUOTE]
Taking a dump on the street is an act of necessity.
Taking a dump of my boss’s desk is an act of resignation. Doing the Harlem Shake in the street is a political statement.
I’ve used a double jump kick in sparring a lot, but I push like a teep instead of kicking up like a traditional Chinese kick. It works when someone has their back pinned to a wall (or cage).
I’ve tried a few tornado kicks, but never landed one solidly. I clipped a guy once, but he rushed in on me and ended up taking my back.
I did use flying kick a lot when I was young. When I used my “flying side kick” to come down 45 degree on my opponent’s leading leg knee joint, I could put my opponent in 100% defense at that particular moment. Very little risk on my part. Either I land my foot on my opponent’s knee joint, or I land my feet infront of him if he moves back. To my opponent, it’s a kick. To me, it’s just close the distance (but my opponent doesn’t know that)
I’ve landed a few jumping kicks. Not spinning though. Never tried that. Infact I have never used a spinning kick in a fight. Well, aside from the spinning back kick, but I don’t really count that. Likewise I have used spinning elbow but never a backfist. I find the elbow is pretty effective in close quarters.
…maybe that’s because I never quite got the splits. Nevertheless, they appear in a few of my Bak Sil Lum forms.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1216732]Flying Kicks.[/QUOTE]Didn’t I just say that two posts above yours? I’ve seen other people use flying kicks. I’ve just never used them for anything practical beyond showing off. I was never that confident with my high kicks, much less my flying ones. :o
I’ve seen other people use flying kicks. I’ve just never used them for anything practical beyond showing off. I was never that confident with my high kicks, much less my flying ones. :o