[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1058900]The nice thing about TCMA is the “Kung” training that MMA guys don’t believe it even exists. It’s very hard to convince someone that some moves only work with Kung. Without Kung, you may even put yourself in danger.[/QUOTE]
human body is very fragile, true it is easy to hurt someone or ourself without any prior MA training.
however, we may train our body to perform specific job, such as farming, driving, –
we may also train specifically to fight with weapon or open hand
my point is that MA training is not a waste of time
especially learning how not to get hurt or how not to hurt ourself etc etc
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1058855]When someone doesn’t believe what you have just said, you then put up a clip to prove it.
1st - Why do you need to prove it?
2nd - Are you trying to show off with your video?
3rd - Do you understand that some information just should not be shared in public?
4th - Did this forum just change policy such as “no videro -> never happened”?[/QUOTE]
agreed that no need to post a video.
a contest of mouth remains a contest of mouth or saying
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1058902]I learned some leg locks in BJJ and sambo that would make your hair fall off ( I know how much you love your hair;) )[/QUOTE]
Some moves also exist in TCMA too. The outer leg twisting, modified version of front cut, … that you can apply in stand up game.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1058903]Nah, if you can make a video to make your point clear or even prove your point, why not?
It has zero to do with ego and everything to do with sharing, the reason one assumes most people are here for anyways.[/QUOTE]
It may be fun to share information who will appreciate. It may not be fun to share information who thinks you are trying to show off. “Trying to prove your point” and “showing off” is hard to distinguish, Sometime the more information that you present, the deeper that you will get yourself into argument. You may just use your hot face to touch someone’s cold ass.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1058903]Nah, if you can make a video to make your point clear or even prove your point, why not?
It has zero to do with ego and everything to do with sharing, the reason one assumes most people are here for anyways.[/QUOTE]
I have nothing against making videos to clarify something from one person to another or to a group involved in the same thought/conversation. When done in the spirit of argument, in my opinion it is egotistical. It is a declaration of “I think I am right and therefore you are wrong” Kind of teh pinnacle fo ego even though a video represents moments in time that were.
Consider this. Football teams beat other football teams by watching the other team and how they play. BY going through and identifying the other teams plays, it is a process to deconstruct them and make defenses that will defeat them. Or create attacks that they cannot answer.
The same is true of competitive fighting. If you aren’t watching your opponents fights and regarding what he is doing and working towards defeating that, then in my opinion, you are doing it wrong.
If you have no idea of who your opponent is or do not know his style, which is the case in most martial artists reality, although that can change these days pretty quick.
There isn’t anything inherintly evil about being egotistical though, it’s annoying when someone takes it to the level of narcisism. And you’re right, video is a really useful tool.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1058900]The nice thing about TCMA is the “Kung” training that MMA guys don’t believe it even exists. It’s very hard to convince someone that some moves only work with Kung. Without Kung, you may even put yourself in danger.[/QUOTE]
I think this will catch on.
Guys are already discovering Yoga. Even if they start as butt watchers, they get into the yoga and in the martial arts it’s logical that should lead to learning about Kungs.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1058900]The nice thing about TCMA is the “Kung” training that MMA guys don’t believe it even exists. It’s very hard to convince someone that some moves only work with Kung. Without Kung, you may even put yourself in danger.[/QUOTE]
I think, with all due respect, you haven’t seen much MMA training
they may not call them “kung” but that doesn’t mean they are different
[QUOTE=GeneChing;1058940]…and that’s no evidence that we are one and the same. None at all. :o
We’re all staying civil here, right? Because I haven’t banned anyone this week…[/QUOTE]
I was trying to stay civil, the “with all due respect”
I’ve certainly done “kung” and I’ve also trained with a few of top MMA camps (Chute Boxe and Team Quest for example). They may use different terms, but the ideas are the same, there are a lot of “kung” in training MMA fighters.
[QUOTE=GeneChing;1058940]…and that’s no evidence that we are one and the same. None at all. :o
We’re all staying civil here, right? Because I haven’t banned anyone this week…[/QUOTE]
That statement about Kung has me thinking as well…
I’m as traditional as anybody. 25 years with one Sifu, another 4 with his “Uncle” before that. But, while I understand the Chinese perspective better than most, I still model everything against ‘the principles’ as I feel them, and what I know from a lifetime playing this game.
Its all about depth vs breadth to me. The Classical execution and discipline of TCMA and the high level skills (kungs) we develop are due to focus. I think the act of focus is in the end the ultimate payoff, but that’s just me perhaps.
Lets talk about Uki juggling his iron balls. With the benefit of little training, his focus probably paid off nicely..
And I think its the hardest thing for broadly trained fighters to understand. Perhaps, to sacrifice the depth for a breadth of talent, could consequentially give you more of an ability to ad lib and flow?
lets be honest-any skill specific training is Kung.
ex: Throwing the heavybag is “throwing kung” -if you saw a SC guy doing it in China first, rather than a MMA guy, everyone would call it tcma training.
[QUOTE=TenTigers;1058955]lets be honest-any skill specific training is Kung.
ex: Throwing the heavybag is “throwing kung” -if you saw a SC guy doing it in China first, rather than a MMA guy, everyone would call it tcma training.[/QUOTE]
Gonna get all meta-physical (sic)?
Some skills are natural born? maybe? genetic?
Some skills are the sum of the parts, not something you can train individually?
My Tahitian buddy’s brother was born with 2 crowns on his skull, the mark of a warrior.
He was by account, undefeatable his whole life. Royal family, warrior blood.
Personally, I think any art is in the doing, not in the achievement. It just gets more interesting and demanding, hopefully.
The TCMA Kung training is a funny thing. When you compete in the ring, your Kung has not been fully developed yet. When you have developed more Kung, you may be too old to compete. It’s like when you were young, you have all the energy in the world. But since you don’t have money, you have to work 8 to 5. When you have saved enough money that you no longer need to work, you are too old to enjoy your free time.
Did you read Only the Strong By Chris Friedman (2009 September/October)? That was throwing kungs for Shuai Jiao. Zhuo Quan Sheng didn’t throw a heavy bag. Instead he threw a barbell with one plate, a stone lock, an ornamented flag pole and a 70 lb kwan dao.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1058960]The TCMA Kung training is a funny thing. When you compete in the ring, your Kung has not been fully developed yet. When you have developed more Kung, you may be too old to compete. It’s like when you were young, you have all the energy in the world. But since you don’t have money, you have to work 8 to 5. When you have saved enough money that you no longer need to work, you are too old to enjoy your free time.[/QUOTE]
Can’t say I agree with this on a couple of levels
There are tons of “martial arts bums” - I was one, many of my fighters are, ie they basicly train all day, they don’t work, they don’t have school. It took me an extra year in college because the first year I spent all with CTS, never at school
I don’t think it is the “kung” that is more developed, perhaps it is the “yi”. You get older and you have a clearer mind, better reasoning, you can focus more.
A little more experience also can make differences…
But it is “even playing field” thing in some respects because youth, strength and endurance DO mean a LOT in a fight
sorry Gene)
