[QUOTE=TenTigers;968856]Many people like to speak of honor, morality, etc -when it suits their needs.[/QUOTE]
Many have an air of sanctimony.
Few are actually righteous.
Very few…
Ok, pretty much no one. lol
That’s why we look for gurus anyway isn’t it?
We look for that human being that is what we wish ourselves to be?
Self defeating. 
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;968860]
That’s why we look for gurus anyway isn’t it?
We look for that human being that is what we wish ourselves to be?
Self defeating. :)[/QUOTE]
i would suggest that most people look for gurus who validate their own internal projections of themselves; when the guru agrees to participate in that because they teach out of a need for their own ego validation then everyone is happy; but if the guru refuses to be coopted in that way then eitherthe student will leave if the guru is not skillfully enough or if the guru is skilled then there is a possibility that the student may be able to see more clearly…although this may not be as pleasant of
an experience as most people think so called spiritual
practice is supposed to be 
[QUOTE=taai gihk yahn;968862]i would suggest that most people look for gurus who validate their own internal projections of themselves; when the guru agrees to participate in that because they teach out of a need for their own ego validation then everyone is happy; but if the guru refuses to be coopted in that way then eitherthe student will leave if the guru is not skillfully enough or if the guru is skilled then there is a possibility that the student may be able to see more clearly…although this may not be as pleasant of
an experience as most people think so called spiritual
practice is supposed to be ;)[/QUOTE]
I have found through personal experience that teh best teachers are the ones who lead you to a mirror that allows you to see yourself for what you really are.
It’s up to you to look of course.
But the very important lessons and the most valuable lessons are the least likely to be well received.
Being rejected is a great lesson for instance. But who learns from it and who is only bruised by it? lol
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;968865]I have found through personal experience that teh best teachers are the ones who lead you to a mirror that allows you to see yourself for what you really are.
It’s up to you to look of course.
But the very important lessons and the most valuable lessons are the least likely to be well received.
Being rejected is a great lesson for instance. But who learns from it and who is only bruised by it? lol[/QUOTE]
eating bitter does not just refer to holding horse stance, lol
yes, the teacher is the mirror - of course anything can be the
mirror some of us just need that particular type of
mirror - of course ultimately no mirror no dust and all that
[QUOTE=bawang;968774]hay guys
i remember hearing from china a shaolin monk runaway banged up a bald lesbian, another guy married a white woman. i didnt think it was true but now i find out it really is true.
lets discuss this problem pls[/QUOTE]
talking about buddhism
zuo yi tian he shang; qiao yi tian zhong.
you have to follow the doctrines.
zhi gu yin xiong nan guo mei ren guan.
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It all started so innocently…
Then it escalated:
Some where not happy about his:
But the view was vastly improved
talking about buddhism again
ji gong was a drinking wine and eating meat living buddha. but no girls.
he was the desciple of guan yin.
why? if you are really into buddhism, you are neutral.
you many be a guy this reincarnation, and a woman the next reincarnation such as guan yi bodhi sahvat.
you have to transcend or overcome the guy and girl thing.
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of course, if you are in a different branch of buddhism, actually that is allowed.
:eek:
Greatly improved…
[QUOTE=bawang;968793]no
thats from the movie shaolin temple starring jet li. shaolin monks never saved the tang emperor
in order to appease the warlord li shimin the shaolin monks ambushed and killed a rival warlord m in order to gain political favours with him.
li shiming had a signature on a rock but i never heard of him saying shaolin monks can eat meat
imperial order in song dynasty is if a soldier gets injured during training he is awarded 10 pounds of tofu[/QUOTE]
oh i dont know. ive never seen that movie. this is just what i learned watching the shaolin wheel of time show, and reading books. i should watch that movie though, i hear its good.
Shaolin is an over 1000 year old temple.
sometimes flourished, sometimes perished.
it is the place where chan buddhism started. then migrated to korea, japan, vietnam, and now north america.
kung fu is a side show. the spread of chan buddhism is the main thing.
it can also be a cultual theme.
all the beauty pageant and wushu schools nearby
are really side shows to attract tourism.
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cough" spread of chan buddhism" cough
is the real theme.
Shaolin most recent destruction was by a warlord.
the temple was used as headquarter to fight among warlords.
Ch’an has spread and is practiced worldwide.
I don’t think the purpose of Shaolin is any longer to spread Ch’an.
It is definitely not their focus. And in modern day terms, it was certainly not the Shaolin who have actively been spreading zen.
Ironically that honour belongs to the japanese.
I have found through personal experience that teh best teachers are the ones who lead you to a mirror that allows you to see yourself for what you really are.
Psychological studies show Depressed people have a more accurate view of themselves. Ignorance is bliss.
[QUOTE=SanHeChuan;968881]Psychological studies show Depressed people have a more accurate view of themselves. Ignorance is bliss.[/QUOTE]
well, depressed people are more aware of objective reality as well.
So, it follows that they would be depressed after a better understanding of that reality in context to modern living.
who wouldn’t be a little depressed about it?
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;968852]if you stop looking for fictitious character from wuxia novels, I’ll stop lookin for superman. lol
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what u read ancient wuxia novels
[QUOTE=bawang;968890]what u read ancient wuxia novels[/QUOTE]
I am saying that the idea you are putting out is blurry.
there are no martial heroes who are righteous and upright.
there are only humans, who have their failings no matter who they are.