Yeah, good old Ying Ching. Its certainly a fav of mine.
Originally posted by IronFist
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If you work out alot, like a powerlifter, your body adjusts due to the repititious weight lifting, and it says to itself “hey, I’ve been straining real hard a little too long and way too often, I’m gonna have to bulk myself up to prepare myself for this since I think he’s going to continue lifting this amount of weights this continuously”
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I mean, your body is almost like a seperate entity in itself. For example : If I see you everday, and everyday I kick you in the right shin, that shin will build up a tolerence. It will pack on extra bone for protection and it will turn some tough meat.
Same thing with your ribs. If you continually work them, the meat on your ribs will stiffin a little, and eventually the structure of your ribs will somehwat adapt to being puched in (i.e. being hit)
Kung Lek,
water body?
are you talking about one of the 72 training methods where you like take a couple of beach towels, go stand in water about mid rib deep, and then swing the shiot out of the big towels in a circular x type pattern,both on top of the water, and under the water?
Or are you talking about a sensitivity type of training where you can take body blows from sinking the breath, using the cotton around iron principles, then redirecting the shots from sensitivity?
Number one is farkin killer,number 2 is just plain hard to do continuously while someone is killing your guts and stuff with strikes…
peace,
mor
Originally posted by TAO YIN
are you talking about one of the 72 training methods where you like take a couple of beach towels, go stand in water about mid rib deep, and then swing the shiot out of the big towels in a circular x type pattern,both on top of the water, and under the water?
That’s on one of James Lacey’s “iron body” videos. Somehow I doubt hitting water with towels will give you “iron body.”
ironfist,
that is one of the 72 shaolin methods of strength training etc. trying to swing two towels around continuously either on top of the water or under the water is not the easiest thing to do,if you do this right it will strengthen your ribs, lats, etc, etc from the inside out so to speak…it will also give you a mean grip and sinewy forearms,this just aides in so called “iron body”…i dont care lacey whatever or not, go and try doing it with some huge beach towels for 30 minutes straight.
tao
Re: Re: Re: I was jus looking at the old version of this post..LOL
Originally posted by IronFist
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Yeah I have a bottle of their’s that’s like 5 years old. Hahaha. I wonder if it’s lost all it’s potency. Or maybe it’s super-potent. Actually I think I might have 2 or 3 bottles that are that old. I’m afraid to use them.
Someone explain to me again why you need jow. Boxers and NHB’ers don’t seem to use it and they can take shots just fine, right? [/B]
If you want some good jow, head into the city and go to china town. Send fa_jing a PM and he can hook you up.
: If I see you everday, and everyday I kick you in the right shin, that shin will build up a tolerence. It will pack on extra bone for protection and it will turn some tough meat.
Thats not right, if you hit a bone it does not produce more bone (unless you micro fracture the bome repeatedly, then the tiny cracks get filled with more bone, but I think this only works with small bones and joints).
What really happens when you condition a shin is that with every kick (or day of conditioning) you kill off nerves, alowing you to tolerate more force on the shin. this is ok for the shin as all you want is it not to hurt during shin on shin kicks etc…for the ribs it dont help much.
Also if you kicked me in the shin every day, what sort of a friend would you be?
Actually, a bone that has constant force applied to it becomes more dense. I think they did some study where they looked at the heels of gymnasts vs. the heels of regular people and the gymnasts’ heels were more dense due to all the jumping and stuff that they do all the time.
I think it’s called “Wolff’s Law” or something like that. I read about it years ago tho so I forgot. If someone knows the specifics, please post them.
Thanks.
Originally posted by IronFist
Actually, a bone that has constant force applied to it becomes more dense. I think they did some study where they looked at the heels of gymnasts vs. the heels of regular people and the gymnasts’ heels were more dense due to all the jumping and stuff that they do all the time.
absolutly right…a few years ago they did some examinations on bones of soldiers from the middle ages (around 1500’s) and found many of them to have far denser bones in one arm than the other…only after much investigation they found that they were all archers. The constant drawing of the bow lead to far denser bones in one arm.
Weight training increases bone density…thats why it is good for (espically for women) to help stop ostio-arthitius (spelt wrong!) in old age.
weapons training in martial arts has a likewise affect as does conditioning. basically regular stress on bones in time makes them denser.
What up Bro!
Originally posted by Lowlynobody
Yeah, good old Ying Ching. Its certainly a fav of mine.
Yeah Ying Ching’s the shizzzzznit! Pretty tough form, that takes a lot to get it down. Once you get the flow and understand whats going on, it’s pretty awesome!
Iron fist,
My bad bro! Give me a holla on my email… YauKungTiger@yahoo.com
Be easy,
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You must do Ying Ching with iron rings and die…
Originally posted by Liokault
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Thats not right, if you hit a bone it does not produce more bone (unless you micro fracture the bome repeatedly, then the tiny cracks get filled with more bone, but I think this only works with small bones and joints).
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It is right. I actually have done that to my left shoulder.
My arm started giving me alot of pain so I went to have it x-rayed, it turns out that repeated trauma to a bone stimulates osteoblasts that in turn build more bone on top of bone for extra protection against said trauma.
I actually forced my shoulder into osteohypertrophy by accident. It was very painfull in the beggining because the muscle had to adjust to go over and around the new bone.
Now I forget its even there, except when I lay down on my left side sometimes, but that is very rare. It feels like I have a marble or something in my arm.
Scouts honor.
Originally posted by Liokault
Also if you kicked me in the shin every day, what sort of a friend would you be?
Not a very good one. 
Originally posted by rubthebuddha
wolf’s law info
Cool. I can’t believe I remembered the name of that!
Anyway, that deals mostly with changing shape. I thought it had to do with becoming more dense. Maybe that’s a different law. Anyway, thanks for the link. 
Wolf’s Law states
As bones are subjected to stress demands in weightbearing posture, they will model or alter their shape accordingly.
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I am unsure wether striking a bone with another bone would be considered stress whice could cause the body to increase the density of the bone.
The situation of weight training and of a gymnast are very differant to shin conditioning.
Also I am sure I read a specific study (which is why I posted in the first place) about what actuly happens when you try to condition shins.
Anyway all that is beside the point, even if you can condition a shin to be stronger it bears very little relation to the conditioning on ribs.
For those on here that are into weights/body building - what sort of muscle structure, if any, resides underneath the ribs?
External and Internal intercostals muscles surround the the ribs.