Anyone else had any luck in blending the knowledge of these two distinctive styles of martial arts together?
I’m fortunate enough, living in Western Australia, to have some rather experienced masters teaching here, and have been learning taekwondo and kungfu for most of my teenage and adult life here.
I’ve found the two almost to blend perfectly together, almost like two musical instruments, although my kungfu instructors are rather disciplinary when it comes to the application of kicks, ie SPARINGLY. Naturally low kicks are emphasised much more strongly, if not 100%
Taekwondo on the otherhand has given me the freedom to apply almost all of my kungfu knowledge together with taekwondo sparring to see how it works against taekwondo fighters, naturally giving an extreme advantage… and is very enlightening and powerful to say the least… (Expecially when you grab them haha)
Anyway I love learning/trying to master all I can about these two martial arts, and they both have very deep levels of understanding…
Good luck in your studies and hopeing to hear more from other readers
PLEASE NO FLAMING OR SPAMMING OR ABUSE OR HATE, just love
One of the people I trained with dropped southern kung fu to train in tae kwon do. He said that the reverse sweep kicks catch southern kung fu people off guard every time. He said that they underestimate the leg sweeping techniques thinking that their stances are very strong.
The most powerful kick is the jumping side kick. You have the height, forward momentum, reach and power. The leg is much stronger than the arm and has a much longer reach. I mean if the hands were stronger than people would be walking on their hands and talking through their butts won’t they! Obviously they don’t because people walk with their legs and speak through their mouths. So obviously the leg is much stronger. It’s obvious isn’t it. I mean it goes without saying unless you’re brain damaged or something.
Originally posted by Ego_Extrodinaire The most powerful kick is the jumping side kick. You have the height, forward momentum, reach and power. The leg is much stronger than the arm and has a much longer reach. I mean if the hands were stronger than people would be walking on their hands and talking through their butts won’t they! Obviously they don’t because people walk with their legs and speak through their mouths. So obviously the leg is much stronger. It’s obvious isn’t it. I mean it goes without saying unless you’re brain damaged or something.
I’m not trying to refute your claim, but the way how I see it, hands are naturally designed for manipulating the environment (eating, lifting things, etc.) and very few people have the dexterity to use their feet on tasks which are habitually meant for the hands. Sure, legs are more powerful compared to hands, but they are merely meant for walking and maneuvering in general. We should use our hands as primary tools for upper level execution, while our feet serve as an expertise in maneuvering. Lifting the feet above the waistline is an unconventional execution and anatomically unfavorable for the body. On the other hand, everyone can use their hands in a considerably free fashion - whether it be on the head or abdominal level. Nevertheless, high kicks can be effective when executed properly with correct timing, but they can also, on the contrary, expose many weak points to the opponent.
well, I was taught North Shaolin (Bak Sil Lum) in tandem with Southern Shaolin black Tiger in my kungfu training. They both complimented each other quite nicely.
I have also learned Tae Kwon Do and must say it is imo contradictory in principles to southern Kungfu. I say this because tkd while highly mobile does not spend the time encouraging root in the practitioner where southern kungfu does.
North Shaolin will teach you the principles of lightning fast kicks and has in it some very flashy kicks, but,it also focuses on root, jings, structural alignment etc more strongly than tkd.
I would be very careful about the way I went about the merging of tkd with a southern cma, imo that could bite you in the @ss in regards to the correct development of either.
so just be very mindful when you find the obvious contradictions and think about how they fit and how they don’t.
One of the people I trained with dropped southern kung fu to train in tae kwon do. He said that the reverse sweep kicks catch southern kung fu people off guard every time. He said that they underestimate the leg sweeping techniques thinking that their stances are very strong.
The most powerful kick is the jumping side kick. You have the height, forward momentum, reach and power. The leg is much stronger than the arm and has a much longer reach. I mean if the hands were stronger than people would be walking on their hands and talking through their butts won’t they! Obviously they don’t because people walk with their legs and speak through their mouths. So obviously the leg is much stronger. It’s obvious isn’t it. I mean it goes without saying unless you’re brain damaged or something. [/B]
Ahh, but if he had learned his southern kung fu properly then he would have known that the power in his hands comes from his legs, and the power in his legs should come from good structure.
As a wheelchair-bound person, you of all people should understand how strong you can make your arms, and in fact sometimes people can learn to make their arms strong enough to walk on them almost as efficiently as on legs. As for talking out of your butt, only you would know about that
“The most powerful kick is the jumping side kick.”
Actualy technicaly speaking (and this has been proven) the most powerfull kick is a forward walking spinning back kick. It combines the power of a sidekick (already a powerfull movement) with rotational force and also forwards momentum.
The flying sidekick is actualy a comparitivly weak kick, due to the body not being on the ground the only way to power the kick is with the limb and the added bonus of landing into your opponent with it.
If you dont believe me then have a look at some of the breaking records and you will notice that people dont break large amounts with flying sidekicks, they tend to jump obsitcles and then break single boards. A regular sidekick can probarly do far more damage if its proparly done than a flying sidekick.
In any case both are good against southern kung fu. The spinning back kick would take a southern kung fu master by surprise. How about a jumping spinning back kick - that would be even be more powerful. Being rooted to the ground in a horse stance makes the southern kung fu master rather immobile. Southern kung fu came to being in small villages which did not allow much movement sideways. Farmers tend to just slug it out with the 2 to 3 techniques they knew. Jumping kicks were too advanced for them because the weren’t taught how to jump over swords.
In any case both are good against southern kung fu. The spinning back kick would take a southern kung fu master by surprise. How about a jumping spinning back kick - that would be even be more powerful. Being rooted to the ground in a horse stance makes the southern kung fu master rather immobile. Southern kung fu came to being in small villages which did not allow much movement sideways. Farmers tend to just slug it out with the 2 to 3 techniques they knew. Jumping kicks were too advanced for them because the weren’t taught how to jump over swords. [/B]
You’re full of ****e Ego!!! TKD tought as sport is also a load of ****e!!! high kicks may look good but once you’re in close they ain’t do nothing but get you into trouble. I dont know where you guys/girls got your info from coz Southern styles are very mobile. they do not practice 1&3 step sparring which teaches nothing let alone self defence.
In CMA a lot of the basics are taught through forms and 2 person sets not forwards and backwards and side to side as in TKD forms etc. It really annoys me that a person with 18 months training (generally poor at that can be given a black belt and told to go forth and spread the art!!! what a load of rubbish!!!) This is probably why a once decent martial art turned into a load of crap. I really pity the poor buggers who think they can defend themselves with this and I abhor the people who tell them they can !!! It seems to me the only thing the people teahing this are concerned with is how much they will get out of it financially. Sad is all I can say.
Most people whom I’ve sparred with who trained in TKD (and some Karate) fight from the back foot and when pressed will move backwards. they’re fine if they’re attacking but if they end up on the receiving end very few will think to attack from the side or get behind the opponent. The idea with CMA is not to go toe to toe but to get in there fast and finish the job the quickest and safest way possible which is generally the side which is hardest to protect. Bagua and Taiji is a classic example of this! Thai boxing is very good but very hard on the body which is why you won’t find many people training after 30.
Another point to consider is why is it you see a lot of the kicking styles have a majority of people with knee injuries??? And I’m not talking about old people either. This comes down to not having the experience (i.e. black belt in 18 months) teaching the correct way to kick without injury to oneself.
Yeah I know I’m ranting and raving but it’s my opinion so live with it or bugger off!!!
Need I remind you that Tai Chi and Bagua are northern styles as opposed to the stuff that peasents fight with in the south. Needless to say northern styles have superior mobility compared to tae kwan do which has superior mobility compared to southern kung fu.
As much as you dislike 2 or 3 step sparring, compare this to the wing chun alternative which is to spar against a wooden dummy. What would your friends say if they find out that you’re learning slef defence and your sparring parner is a hunk of wood (with 3 hands and one leg). For starters they might say you’ll be the last man standing on the day of the Triffids.
Some southern kung fu styles like pak hok pai don’t even spar at all. Others learn choreographed moves though form after form.
As much as you critise the fast belt system in TKD, the southern styles have also adopted belt systems where the master would extract money from students over a long period of time. If anything, TKD is less dishonest about things.
Coming back to mobility, there is absolutely no way that a wing chun master can avoid a jumping reverse back kick. If the kick misses, the TKD master would come crashing down on to the wing chun like a ton of bricks. Wing Chun foot work is not prepared for that. Farmers are generally slower and less agile people and do not often need to jump over swords to stay alive. Their kung fu is reflective of their physical attributes and their simple mentality.
Ego is a troll. Don’t get too worked up over stuff he says. I used to get annoyed by him, but now he amuses me. You will find that he basically says the same thing over and over, just in different ways. I sit back and eagerly await the newest way for him to try and put down Southern arts.
Your right, Ego is a Troll but as I said this is my opinion so if he don’t like it he can bugger off!! Stupid bugger does’t even realise I was talking abouth CMA not north/south whohaaa. With regards to his idea of using spinning back jumping kick with a lemon twist or whatever it was, it dont mean nothing if the person ain’t there to hit with it!! Try doing this in a night club with 150+ people standing around you. It would look kind of funny seeing someone trying to do this and going a$$ over t1t though wouldn’t it. Be a real crowd pleaser
Come on don’t pretend that wing chun doesn’t spar against wooden dummies. What about all those forms where wing chun blocks those wooden arms and hits the dummies? But when they step into a boxing ring or UFC they get creamed. I admit to some, I have an image problem on this forum but you would agree that the problem with wing chun lies in its substance.
Joker:
You do seem to be the sort of person who would pick fights in a night club. You’re also incorrect in not having made a distinction between northern and southern kung fu. Like i said before and Buddah Fist would now agree that wing chun’s sparring against wooden dummies do not allow the practitioner to move behind the dummy because its bolted agaisnt the wall. It teaches you to slub it out against a tree with 4 branches growing out of its trunk.
As per usual you seem to judge without knowing the full story!! I do not remember telling anyone that I practiced Wing Chun (Ving Tsun) or even if I inferred this! You stuffed up again!!! Have you not heard the saying thast if you ASSUME anything it will make as A$$ out of you and me both!!!
Wing Chun is a vey effective style if you have the right teacher as with any other style (North or South). If you work hard at training and understand the applications then you should have no problems putting thought into practice. You may want to readjust your attitude and think about putting your mind in gear before putting your mouth in action!!!
If you don’t practice wing chun, then how can you say that it is an effective style unless your sorry butt has been hauled by enough wing chun practitioners for you to draw that conclusion.
Wing chun is a style that loses to boxing and next to useless in UFC. If one claims that it is effective for self defence than why should it lose to sports orientated martial arts? Wing chun cannot deal with the round punches or when someone buries down on to you. It is a sad limitation of that style.
Some people still maintain the belief that wing chun doesn’t spar against wooden dummies, they must as well be doing so at least that may be more valuable than sparring with a person like yourself.
