No, that is your puzzle that you are putting together on that clip. I am not on that clip. I just wondered why you all were expressing things that way, that’s all.
No, that is your puzzle that you are putting together on that clip. I am not on that clip. I just wondered why you all were expressing things that way, that’s all.[/QUOTE]
Yum Cha,
Can you please answer Tao’s question?
Thank you in advance,
Jorge
yum cha,
Thanks for the vid’s, I’m very suprised tou have no screwdriver set in your class, I thought we all had that in our lineage.
Any way there is far too few video’s of pak mei being performed the way you and I believe it should be and I for one care not a jot how many steps you have.
Thanks again
[QUOTE=esox;1009586]yum cha,
Thanks for the vid’s, I’m very suprised tou have no screwdriver set in your class, I thought we all had that in our lineage.
Any way there is far too few video’s of pak mei being performed the way you and I believe it should be and I for one care not a jot how many steps you have.
Thanks again[/QUOTE]
Thanks Esox. Yes, the screwdriver form… I’ve always put off learning it, because after you learn it, man, you are screwed… :eek:
He used to carry that screwdriver around with him, under one of his rags, all the time.
Tao, and Jorge,
There is a certain decorum, don’t expect me to give you my insight unless you put up what you think first. If its not engaging, I can’t be bothered. I respond the same way to other peoples posts, you got to lay it out if you want to play.
You are both Yau Kung Mun / White Tiger students, and both styles claim to know or be Pak Mei. You don’t think perhaps that may be colouring your interpretation?
I did tell you what I thought. But you replied that I had a puzzle? Which makes no sense because you are putting together that puzzle on that clip.
Me talking this is much more engaging than everyone telling you ‘great job.’ Anyhow, I think it was my BJJ practice that coloured my interpretation more than anything…
Anyways, I will give it to you guys though. You don’t look like any Bak Mei, Yau Kung Mun, or White Tiger I have ever seen, anywhere.
Tao,
I thought I should add, that stepping exercise was first taught to me by your Si Gung.
[QUOTE=Yum Cha;1009623]Tao,
I thought I should add, that stepping exercise was first taught to me by your Si Gung.[/QUOTE]
What does that have to do with anything? We’re asking what’s that type of stepping for, as you’re taking an extra step. We don’t train Jik Bo like that, so I can’t give insight on something I don’t train. Why would I ask, if I aleady knew the answer?
Jorge
So you are practicing Yau Kung Mun?:rolleyes:
I’ve also seen it in Ly Jik bo where you run through the punch as if you are catching up with your opponent after you hit him. Then, from there you do the ripping motion for the throw. Is this the point that you were taught? So that you stick to your opponent assuming that you hit him hard with that right cross, so that you can follow up by ripping him to the ground?
There are no ill intentions here man. I just wanted to see what you thought about it. For the record since you are practicing Yau Kung Mun I guess, and this isn’t ill intended either, you are hunching over too much. It looks like you are fighting a midgit! Hunching over doesn’t equal FCTT.
Again, what are you doing that extra step for and hunching over so much when you do it, then ripping. This isn’t kinematically important doing it that way, IMO.
The screwdriver set is only for the inside the inner gate on the comfy chair students. Cuh, don’t you people know that!
This ‘extra’ step business and the questions pertaining to it.
What is the name of the set and what is one of the points of the set?
Yes that’s right - forward step.
Look at the performances of Gou Bou Toi you can easily find on the t’interweb. How many steps back are there after ‘Emperor offers wine’ ? Do YOU know absolutely? I don’t. Fact is it doesn’t matter. Different people do different amounts, it’s not a big deal. ‘Some’ steps and understanding the technique is what matters.
Unless of course the performance from Tiger on Dutys Sifu is ‘wrong’ and the performance from Ringo Lo is ‘wrong’ and the performance from Lee Sifu’s students in London is ‘wrong’. I don’t think so. They are all, ‘right’.
THE step is what matters. How many is irrelevant. It’s a form. A form performed and practiced on one’s own in order to learn the techniques.
TAO YIN, could you explain what you mean by this - “This isn’t kinematically important doing it that way, IMO.”
[QUOTE=Lai See;1009743]The screwdriver set is only for the inside the inner gate on the comfy chair students. Cuh, don’t you people know that!
This ‘extra’ step business and the questions pertaining to it.
What is the name of the set and what is one of the points of the set?
Yes that’s right - forward step.
Look at the performances of Gou Bou Toi you can easily find on the t’interweb. How many steps back are there after ‘Emperor offers wine’ ? Do YOU know absolutely? I don’t. Fact is it doesn’t matter. Different people do different amounts, it’s not a big deal. ‘Some’ steps and understanding the technique is what matters.
Unless of course the performance from Tiger on Dutys Sifu is ‘wrong’ and the performance from Ringo Lo is ‘wrong’ and the performance from Lee Sifu’s students in London is ‘wrong’. I don’t think so. They are all, ‘right’.
THE step is what matters. How many is irrelevant. It’s a form. A form performed and practiced on one’s own in order to learn the techniques.
TAO YIN, could you explain what you mean by this - “This isn’t kinematically important doing it that way, IMO.”[/QUOTE]
Lai See,
I understand what you are saying, but if there is an extra step in his Jik Bo that I have never seen any Pak Mei do, then I’m going to ask what is it for. Forms just don’t teach you HHBB or FCTT, there are fighting principle enbedded in the forms. For all I know the extra step is a trip or something. Again, whats the problem with asking a question. My Brother Tao and I never said he was wrong. We asked whats the step is for. Fine, it can be just for show, but I was always told that Pak Mei had no show in it and is all fighting. Maybe they were wrong.
Buby
Kinematically Speaking…
From a developmental point of view, Jik Bo is for developing FCTT in the body. IMO, for development the more steps in between each move the worse. The faster the steps in between the worse. Why? Because it’s easy to step and create power simply from momentum. But that’s not from “body.” To develop “body” from momentum only, it makes more sense to full step anyways…
From a fighting point of view, which is not the only way I view kinematics although many do…Let’s look at what is going on. Step with Fingers, Step Hunched Over Punch, Step Hunched Over Rip. So the idea here is the first hit was a head shot that landed and made them retreat. The second hit was a low body shot that landed and made them retreat. And then the third hit was a rip to somewhere o the upper gate??? For me, I just wouldn’t fight a midgit this way…:eek:
Why not just sprint and punch as much as possible at the same time?
Buby, Sorry, you are suffering for Tao’s attitude.
This isn’t a performance, its just training, stepping training, perhaps one of the most basic exercises in Pak Mei, beginner stuff. (But regardless, we have that step in Jik bo too…).
There is an extra step, actually, you lose a step, :D. Its not a trip, not a niggling little foot stomp or anything, just basic bik bo.
How’s your bik bo?
Yum Cha,
I didn’t have any attitude. I simply asked you at first. Then you told me I have a puzzle? Don’t be a fucckhead, and I won’t be a bigger one.
[QUOTE=TAO YIN;1009961]Yum Cha,
I didn’t have any attitude. I simply asked you at first. Then you told me I have a puzzle? Don’t be a fucckhead, and I won’t be a bigger one.[/QUOTE]
“Puzzles of being and not-being, great kinds”
[QUOTE=Yum Cha;1009978]“Puzzles of being and not-being, great kinds”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophist_(dialogue)[/QUOTE]
Yum Cha,
No attitude. Just asking a question. If you don’t mind, are you taught to keep your elbows in all the way thru like in sat chui? Chum Boi Chum Juerng!
Thank in advance,
jorge
[QUOTE=TAO YIN;1009771]Kinematically Speaking…
From a developmental point of view, Jik Bo is for developing FCTT in the body. IMO, for development the more steps in between each move the worse. The faster the steps in between the worse. Why? Because it’s easy to step and create power simply from momentum. But that’s not from “body.” To develop “body” from momentum only, it makes more sense to full step anyways…
From a fighting point of view, which is not the only way I view kinematics although many do…Let’s look at what is going on. Step with Fingers, Step Hunched Over Punch, Step Hunched Over Rip. So the idea here is the first hit was a head shot that landed and made them retreat. The second hit was a low body shot that landed and made them retreat. And then the third hit was a rip to somewhere o the upper gate??? For me, I just wouldn’t fight a midgit this way…:eek:
Why not just sprint and punch as much as possible at the same time?[/QUOTE]
A question, are you a teacher of Pak Mei?
I ask this because the way that you answer infers that you have authority in this respect.
My response to your points here when I know what I am dealing with if you please.
Thank you in advance.
Lai See,
My Sifu gave me permission to teach a little. I passed my beginning instructor’s level test the day after bombing it the first day. I gassed the first time, and my Sifu made me do it all over again. He’s nice like that. Holy Shiit, that was 8 years ago!
I have a massive test coming up next year. I think Sifu plans to break one of my arms and then see if my skill is good enough to set it on the spot, heal it immediately from Chi Gung, then fight thereafter. 
I taught years ago, but haven’t much since then.
[QUOTE=TAO YIN;1010061]Lai See,
My Sifu gave me permission to teach a little. I passed my beginning instructor’s level test the day after bombing it the first day. I gassed the first time, and my Sifu made me do it all over again. He’s nice like that. Holy Shiit, that was 8 years ago!
I have a massive test coming up next year. I think Sifu plans to break one of my arms and then see if my skill is good enough to set it on the spot, heal it immediately from Chi Gung, then fight thereafter.
I taught years ago, but haven’t much since then.[/QUOTE]
So, is that a yes? You are (or have been) a Pak Mei teacher? Your teacher gave you permission to teach Pak Mei?
The massive test bit is a joke, yes?
Lai See,
Yes, you are correct. The massive test bit isn’t a joke but, just the broken arm bit. Sifu is going to guide me through heell for sure when I go and see him. I am training up for it daily. It’s beyond difficult. Just the diet alone makes life, well, different.
I am not sure what all I will have to do and in what order, but it will be a crazy external test, a crazy written test, a crazy oral test, and a crazy internal test, covering everything.
Just for some of the external it will cover the following:
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All Hand and Weapon forms with and without rings on until I puke probably. Used to when we did this if we did one move wrong. BEEP! Start over. (Two man stick forms with only you wearing rings hurts).
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108s. Body weight exercises all done 108 times, in sets. How many pull-ups can you do, slowly?
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Timed roller bar, claw logs, grab bag, iron palm, and cotton palm.
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Timed Wooden Dummy. (I haven’t learned this yet, but its a dummy form that has about 180 moves, and you have to do it as fast and as properly as you can ten times in a row).
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Timed 2 mile run.
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Timed 500 meter Swim.
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Lion Rolling the Ball test. (This will hurt the most).
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Timed Grappling and Rolling. The more people, the more it hurts. 3 people, ten minutes a piece. That’s 30 minutes.
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Bagwork and pad work covering all of the combos we do. (Sifu’s number is 108, so I reckon everything will have to be done 108 times).
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Timed Stand up. The more people, the more it hurts. 3 people, 5 minutes a piece. That’s 15 minutes.
—Basically two of the things above that I mentioned will be for a small amount of the internal test. That’s the 108s and Lion Rolling the Ball test. I have been training daily for the 108s because I can’t do all of it now, but I am working on it. For the rest of the internal test, I have no idea. But it will be insane. How long can you practice OMM for? Yikes, I didn’t even mention stance work.