I was thinking about the Shuai Chiao attack theory today. They say you should uproot or throw your opponent before you should utilize your kick, punch or locks. I know many other styles have a “complete” theory. What is yours. I know the vary catagory is vast, please generalize. I was talking to a Tae Kwon Doe guy today and he said: if you have a effective kick or punch.. then you will not need a throw or lock.. I had to disagree… In contrast, a greco guy said punches or kicks are ineffective for a pure wrestler.. again I had to disagree.. I guess the main question is: what is your styles theory of a effective attack?
Wing Chun is to attack so hard and fast that the opponent cant stop thinking about defence. (ie they dont have time to think about their own attack)
S.Teebas
To quote Tony Blauer
Closest weapon to nearest target. Or the original version by General Patton that’s part of my signature.
Since it’s always different. that’s about as far as I’ll go to any doctrine on fighting.
BTW I do TKD and I also disagree with your TKD friend.
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I don’t about the shaio Chiao attack theory but all the shaio chiao I’ve done had strikes leading into the throw. I’ve been taught in mantis and hsing yi that the best offense is a good defense. In tai chi I guess I’ve been told to yeild and redirect. My sifu has always tought us that throws counters strikes, Strikes counter chin na, Chin na counters throws. They lead into each other and a style is in complete without them all plus chi/breath control as well.
In 8 step praying mantis we destroy our opponents center of gravity and balance and never let them regain it! this is extremly effective and works well in combination with either striking/kicking, jointlocking or throwing.
Basically, if you are not breaking your opponents structure, your in a fight rather than adminstering a beating.
All true combative styles and all worthwile martial sports do this. If not, you need to rethink your approach.
How this is done is usually a big point of argument. I know some Shuai Chiao teachers who swear by setting up the opponent with kicks and strikes. Others just go in and break the structure.
Both strategies have merits, but if you are a Shuai Chiao player, you know how situational it is. Big man vs small man, etc. etc. etc.
And hidden within there GGL is my agreement with you, and hopefully a key to learning for those out there who don’t have any idea what I’m talking about.
(Feeling cool and mysterious tonight. Bear with me. It’ll pass.)
“Poor is the pupil who
does not surpass his
master” - Leonardo Da
Vinci
Do what ever is necessary to accomplish the objective. Don’t even contemplate the coulda wouldas, death, injury, or winning or losing; just do what’s neccesary to protect what you’re fighting for. That’s about it.
In response to those examples you used for the no strike/lock works against whatever, they need to roll with someone from a different background…
-ZC
“The thorn pricks only those who would harm the rose.”
Balance breaking
The idea (so far as I know) behind breaking the opponent’s balance is that if they can’t stand strong enough to defend, they can’t attack so you can. In the book, “Japan’s Ultimate Martial Art”, by Darrell Max Craig, he says that balance is the most important aspect of martial arts. Keeping in mind that balance is both mental, emotional, and physical, he’s pretty right.
-ZC
“The thorn pricks only those who would harm the rose.”
wing Chun-The best defense is a good offene. The best offense is in unison with defense.
Tae Kwon Do- kick so swift hard and accurate that if he blocks it breaks his arm.
Baji-not sure yet.
Various- etc etc etc
Me? Whatever i’m in the mood for.
I’d be a little dubious about the “just wade in & throw” mentality. I’ve got a great video of a Thai fight (I saw it live too) in which a guy who is exceptionally experienced (and talented) at the Thai neck grapple runs in deceptively for a neck grapple. He gets punched in the stomach and then hooked in the temple by the same hand in about half a second. Needless to say, he gets knocked out to the point that when he wakes up about 4 minutes after the fight’s over, he think’s he’s won & does a victory dance before falling over unconcious again. His corner told him to forget striking, just get in there and grapple.
I think I’ve made my point.
My style? Attack attack strike so that they are in such fear of their lives that they are too busy defending to attack. Make them realise that you have absolutely no regard for their safety. Then they begin to panic a bit 
Works for me
“Forfeit the game
Before somebody else takes you out of the frame
And puts your name to shame
Cover up your face
You can’t run the race
The pace is too fast,
You just won’t last!”
my theory is whatever you need to do do it once if you need to do it twice youre doing it wrong.
One block One break
One strike One kill
There isnt really any other way to go about it.
what do bin laden and general custer have in common???
They’re both wondering where the fu(k all of those tomahawks are coming from. - donated by mojo
I think everyone creates their own methodoligy of practice and execution.
However, I would say that the over all concept of aikido is to harmonize with the opponent to understand them and disarm them. This can be done through many methods of unbalancing, leading, controling, striking, pinning, throwing, or simply stepping out of the way or talking.
ours is 4 fold: Chun Chan Sim Jeet, which basically in short summarized form is to: (1) be ruthless, commit to attack and do so with full force;(2) to avoid attacks by side stepping or by other means neccessary; (3) destroy vital points, the last one I dont know yet ,whe I find out I’ll post it.
Zvika
“He’s not dead, 'es resting! Well if 'e’s resting, I’ll wake him up! 'Ello Mr. Polly Parrot…” -Monty Python, Dead Parrot Sketch
whoever it was that said, ‘uproot, and throw before you strike’; doesn’t know what they are talking about. - i suggest you mock that person unrelentlessly, (also, physcial assaults are encouraged, and will gain you bonus points.) until he is so degraded and broken, to the point of being forever emotionally scarred, and cursed to live the rest of his days as a hollow shell of a man.
- neque mibi quisquam Judaeorum fabulas objiciat.
Why is that MaFuYee? Uprooting and throwing is possible and effective, and striking to finish someone once they are under control is a classic martial arts tactic.
strike first, then throw. that is shuai chiao.
WongSifu:
One break one block? One strike one kill?
Maybe with a brick or a board. Not with a person.
A worthy set of GOALS perhaps (and I question even that), but hardly the way to gauge whether or not you are doing it right.
What about the other guy? What if he’s doing stuff RIGHT too? How can they both be correct and not get the one break one block, one strike one kill? Will there be a double knock out? Is one person “more correct,” than the other? If I get hit but minimize the damage in order to win, is that wrong? What if I use more than one technique? Is that wrong too? Gosh, I guess I better perfect my flying armbar, because that single leg, guard pass, mount, armbar combo I’ve been using to win must be all sorts of wrong, if it’s only supposed to take one technique, done properly, to win.
One strike one kill… is the bane of MA. It’s that kind of nonsense that is spouted in the McDojo’s of the world and gets people seriously hurt in streetfights.
Here’s a better concept: Throw each technique with the intent to harm the opposition.
Take them down…
Keep them down…
When in doubt…Choke him out!=gene lebell
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merry prankster youre soo rite 
what do bin laden and general custer have in common???
They’re both wondering where the fu(k all of those tomahawks are coming from. - donated by mojo
Sarcasm or no in your last post Wong? I’m not trying to be a jerk, I just can’t tell 
Thanks!
James