[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1098965]also, just for you:[/QUOTE]
I asked you to source Mr Williams saying it as you allege he did in this quote:
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1098908]Dude… Williams didn’t need to go to the states. He knows it and has admitted as much. He never stated why he went and he is a grandstander and a shoe waver.[/QUOTE]
So again, please back that assertion up or admit you were wrong.
Or do what you always do when I press you to back up your false assertions, call me names.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1098755]If you can’t see what it is we are talking about here, and how it is not about how a capitalist market works, then I leave you to your ignorance in which you may delight whilst you wallow in it.
We are talking about professional medical practice. Not what it will cost to remove a tumor.
Can you break from your constant diatribes about the value of a dollar please? BTW, mine is worth more than yours. Does that make me superior to you now that you have some weakass useless dollar that lacks the buying power of my lowly Canadian buck?
see how irrelevant that is to the conversation?[/QUOTE]
There is no capitalism in North America, In order to have capitalism , there must be capital to be used by the population.
In fact 95 percent of the wealth is owned by the top 5 percent and in actual effect 99 percent of the wealth is controlled by the top .01 of the population.
What the general population has is neither capital nor an economy, it is just the table scraps or a shadow economy. The real economy is owned and used by the power elite.
The system that has developed in North America is in actuality Economic Fascism.
The political class are the cultivated mandarins of the elite, massaging the public with lies , taking employment back and forth from political office to corporate boardroom passing laws to favor economic repression. the media and educational processes are owned by the elite and are the tools , of repression exploitation and fascism.
No Capitalism, no Democracy and really , No America, No Canada , Canada is a cultivated media myth. The TV people aren’t real.
No Canada, No America only Canamerica.
Hockey is a mass delusion inculcated to make Canadians believe the fiction that they have a country.
Look at Greyhound Bus - controlled in Texas, owned in Scotland.
Oh Canada , no - No Canada.
Dollar, schmallar, All economic theory distributed through the media is confused obfuscation. Neither “Americans” nor “Canadians” have anything to do with their actual economy. Now really, only the top .01 percent are real Citizens, the rest just economic units of stock-market ectoplasm.
Some things not to think about, won’t do you any good anyway.
“I wouldn’t worry about it.” - No country for old men.
[QUOTE=BJJ-Blue;1099059]I asked you to source Mr Williams saying it as you allege he did in this quote:
So again, please back that assertion up or admit you were wrong.
Or do what you always do when I press you to back up your false assertions, call me names.[/QUOTE]
I told you to go to the cbc. It’s there, Williams is a **** and that’s that. live with it dude, your system sucks and Williams is just a grandstanding goof. Sorry if the names hurt you. lol suck it up. You should expect it by now. 
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1099199]I told you to go to the cbc.[/QUOTE]
So once again you post untruths on here and then say I must find the non-existant proof to back up your assertions. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1099199]Sorry if the names hurt you. lol suck it up. You should expect it by now. :p[/QUOTE]
They don’t bother me at all. Actually they help me in these debates, they show your character, or lack thereof.
FYI, name-calling is not supposed to be tolerated on the forum, so no one should expect to be called names around here.
[QUOTE=BJJ-Blue;1099215]So once again you post untruths on here and then say I must find the non-existant proof to back up your assertions. :rolleyes:
They don’t bother me at all. Actually they help me in these debates, they show your character, or lack thereof.
FYI, name-calling is not supposed to be tolerated on the forum, so no one should expect to be called names around here.[/QUOTE]
I didn’t post untruths. You suppose so because you can’t think past your hand.
I offered you proof, you rejected it, that’s done. I’m not wasting time feeding your asinine suggestions 1bad so can it.
You’re an idiot for calling character in an open forum where you use no real name, contribute nothing in the spirit of the forum and use the place as your toilet of stupid ideas and agenda.
Your last remark may as well come from a whiny thin skinned 6 year old tattle tale.
Lol character…like you have any whatsoever. :rolleyes: pffft.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1099216]I didn’t post untruths. [/QUOTE]
Yes you did. You made a claim that is so obviously false and when asked to source said claim, you refused to, then told me to find it, then resorted to name-calling.
The “proof” you claim to have offered did not contain a quote where Mr Williams “didn’t need to go to the states. He knows it and has admitted as much.” I just want the quote of Mr Williams admitting he didn’t need to come to the US for treatment. You said that he said it, so show me where he said it.
My money is on you not sourcing it. Let’s see if I’m right. 
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1099216]Lol character…like you have any whatsoever. :rolleyes: pffft.[/QUOTE]
My character is such that I don’t resort to name-calling in a political discussion. The same cannot be said about you.
[QUOTE=BJJ-Blue;1099226]My character is such that I don’t resort to name-calling in a political discussion. The same cannot be said about you.[/QUOTE]
what are you 12? Get real man. Your expectations change like I change socks. Your whole MO is distract/burn/distract/burn/drop a lie/distract/burn/distract/demand and on and on it goes.
as transparent as a window really is what you are.
and then instead of continuing the debate, because you look like an ass with your single source that has been refuted by a person who actually knows and understands the full context of the situation, points you in the direction of where to find the information and you refuse and reject.
yeah, that pretty much makes you fully worthy of being called all kinds of names.
And YOU, trying to play the maturity card is as funny as f*ck. :rolleyes:
bonehead is too kind for you.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1099282]what are you 12? Get real man. Your expectations change like I change socks. Your whole MO is distract/burn/distract/burn/drop a lie/distract/burn/distract/demand and on and on it goes.[/QUOTE]
I’ve actually sourced when I’ve been asked to. I usually post the source anyway without being asked.
I’m not burning, distracting, or lying, I’m just asking you to source an allegation you said was true. As to who is distracting and lying, you are doing it as we speak. Just post a link/source to Mr Williams admitting he didn’t need to come to the US for treatment as you allege and the matter will be closed and I’ll have to admit you were right.
Or you can lie, distract, and call more names. My money still is on you not being able to source the allegation because I’m sure you lied about it. But feel free to prove me wrong for everyone to see.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1099282]Your expectations change like I change socks. [/QUOTE]
Not at all. I’m always expecting you to resort to name-calling when you are asked to source your false allegations.
[QUOTE=BJJ-Blue;1099326]I’ve actually sourced when I’ve been asked to. I usually post the source anyway without being asked.
I’m not burning, distracting, or lying, I’m just asking you to source an allegation you said was true. As to who is distracting and lying, you are doing it as we speak. Just post a link/source to Mr Williams admitting he didn’t need to come to the US for treatment as you allege and the matter will be closed and I’ll have to admit you were right.
Or you can lie, distract, and call more names. My money still is on you not being able to source the allegation because I’m sure you lied about it. But feel free to prove me wrong for everyone to see. ;)[/QUOTE]
NO you haven’t.
Crikey, and now to avoid more stupid, you change this topic around to some stupid little peeing contest. You really are a piece of work. You’d probably cut your own nose off to spite your face. lol
whatever kid, have a juice box, go run around an spout your nonsense. :rolleyes:
Dude… Williams didn’t need to go to the states. He knows it and has admitted as much. He never stated why he went and he is a grandstander and a shoe waver.
Actually David is quite correct here.
We have soem of the best hospitals and doctors in Canada, Princess Margaret is one of the best Cancer hospitals in the world as is sick kids.
He could have had his heart surgery done in Alberta for example, where one of the best heart surgeons in the world works.
some folks can’t believe that a millionaire asshat like danny williams would run off and do what he liked simply because he was a millionaire asshat who could do so.
It’s not really about usa vs canadian healthcare, it’s about danny williams being a say one thing do another jerk off politician with a few million bucks.
He basically left his whole province i doubt when he didn’t have to.
He has admitted as such, but like a certain someone up in this thread, is just a belligerent cork about it.
there is zero that can be done in the states that cannot be done here with equal quality of care and skill of physicians and surgeons. NOTHING.
the windows for new procedures between our countries is nil almost.
anyway, it’s moot now. Thanks 1bad. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1099340]Actually David is quite correct here.[/QUOTE]
He may not have needed to come here, I cannot prove or disprove that part. But I want him to back up his assertion that Mr Williams “admitted” he didn’t need to come here.
[QUOTE=BJJ-Blue;1099401]He may not have needed to come here, I cannot prove or disprove that part. But I want him to back up his assertion that Mr Williams “admitted” he didn’t need to come here.[/QUOTE]
:rolleyes: oh lord…thick as a post.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1099410]:rolleyes: oh lord…thick as a post.[/QUOTE]
Just back up your assertion. Show where Mr Williams “admitted” he didn’t need to come to the US for treatment.
The only quote of his I saw was in Sanjuro’s links. “I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health care for myself when I entered politics.” That doesn’t sound like him admitting he didn’t have to come here for treatment.
[QUOTE=BJJ-Blue;1099451]Just back up your assertion. Show where Mr Williams “admitted” he didn’t need to come to the US for treatment.
The only quote of his I saw was in Sanjuro’s links. I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health care for myself when I entered politics. That doesn’t sound like him admitting he didn’t have to come here for treatment.[/QUOTE]
sorry, but you’re an idiot and I am just going to treat you as such going forward.
You are looking for a direct statement that is cut and dried. The actuality is not that, so you can’t play some tautological game here. His aids, teh doctors here and his own comments are quite clear that it was not required he go to the states and that he did it by his own volition and it had nothing to do with availbility, doctors skill etc etc. Just Danny being a jerk like usual.
[QUOTE=BJJ-Blue;1099451]Just back up your assertion. Show where Mr Williams “admitted” he didn’t need to come to the US for treatment.
The only quote of his I saw was in Sanjuro’s links. “I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health care for myself when I entered politics.” That doesn’t sound like him admitting he didn’t have to come here for treatment.[/QUOTE]
At best Williams was an idiot, at worse he was making a sad political statement that backfired big time, though it didn’t seem to effect him politically at all.
As the article from the globe and mail ( a very conservative newspaper here) showed, Williams was, it seems, ignorant of the options available to him here.
They are being kind.
Williams has always been an ass but his province liked him.
Not only his province but also the satire comedy shows loved him. Man i miss those shows…22 min - air farce. At least we still have Mercer.
[QUOTE=BJJ-Blue;1098541]Socialized medicine systems are failing all over the world, not just in Canada.
And of course people overuse meds up there, the drugs are ‘free’. That’s another huge problem socialized medicine brings, demand skyrockets. Why not go to the doctor if you are sneezing? If your stomach feels heavy, just go to the hospital. It’s ‘free’ after all. That’s why EVERY time it’s tried the beaurocrats who set the costs are ALWAYS underestimating the demand which invariably results in lines, waits to see specialists, and death panels.
So you advocate murdering leaders who you do not agree with when you cant get them out of office using the democratic process?[/QUOTE]
wow… who said murder??? you sure make giant leaps in your head there doncha… you sure seem to love the democratic process… yet when the palestinians DEMOCRATICALLY ELECT hamas, you have issue with that… and i bet you even advocate violence against hamas… and you cannot prove to me that hamas isnt reacting to israeli aggression… just like i cant prove israel is only reaction to palestinian aggression… its all so very subjective… and more people have died from american friendly fire and collateral damage than hamas could kill in 100 years… but what? yall the good guys because your electorate is more evolved??? but for the record, yeah, i believe some people dont deserve to live… and thats different than saying they deserve to die… hopefully you gotta handle on that and we can just leave it there…
anyways, its not just canadiands that have a huge pharma culture… even tho we get alot for free, there is just as much if not more pharma abuse in the states… im sure the american ratio is alot higher than most states with socialized medicine…
anyways, you have no evidence to support any claims you make… just other peoples opinions that happen to have been published somewhere… not that i go out of my way to find good refrences for socialized medicine, i just dont care… we’re fine, and we will be fine… as long as im taken care of im happy… and i am, i hget fat=r more than i deserve… and im cool with that…