Stupid Canadian Politics...

The Canadians here will be interested in this story. For you Americans, you can get a lil bit of insight into some frivolous and retarded Canadian politics. It’s only fair, since I’ve been posting all this crap about retarded American politics. :smiley:

[SIZE=“4”]Tories re brand ‘Harper Government’ in place of government of Canada[/SIZE]

..OTTAWA - It’s official: Stephen Harper rules.

And lest anyone forgets, a directive went out to public servants late last year that “Government of Canada” in federal communications should be replaced by the words “Harper Government.”

Public servants from four different line departments told The Canadian Press the instruction came from “the Centre” — meaning the Prime Minister’s Office and the Privy Council Office that serves the prime minister.

None would speak on the record for fear of retribution. It’s a well-grounded concern given the treatment of a senior government scientist who was fired in 2006 after rebelling against a directive to use “Canada’s New Government” in government communications.

Andrew Okulitch was subsequently reinstated after his story went public, and the Conservatives finally retired the “Canada’s New Government” handle after 21 months in office.

The “Harper Government” moniker rose to prominence in 2009, when its use was noted in light of a controversy over Conservative MPs posing with giant, mock government cheques bearing the party logo and MPs’ signatures. The mock cheques were consigned to the dust bin, and the “Harper Government” handle went into partial hibernation.

Since December, the “Harper Government” has returned with a vengeance, sprouting like mushrooms across departmental communications.

Dimitri Soudas, Harper’s spokesman, said in an email that the style is “a long-standing practice that accurately reflects the government’s leadership, regardless of who was the prime minister.”

Soudas pointed to a number of previous government releases, such as “Budget 2004, announced today by the Paul Martin government,” and one heralding economic progress “during the Chretien government’s time in office.”

Scores of recent news releases — from the Canada Revenue Agency to Fisheries and Oceans, Finance, International Trade, Health Canada and Industry Canada — are all headlined by “Harper Government” actions.

Even the Treasury Board Secretariat is using the term.

Treasury Board is the federal department charged with policing government communications policy, including the Federal Identity Program — which to a layman’s eyes appears to forbid such off-handed personalization in government titles.

Among other things, the policy states that “the criteria for creating an applied title include that it must: incorporate the word Canada or appear with the words Government of Canada…”

Treasury Board spokesman Robert Bousquet said by email “the use of the expression ‘Harper Government’ is not prohibited by either the Treasury Board’s Federal Identity Program Policy nor the Communications Policy of the Government of Canada.”

Added Bousquet in a brief phone interview: “In fact it’s factual, in that it is the government of the day.”

Indeed, journalists routinely use the “Harper government” to describe Conservative government actions. But the moniker’s employment by the government itself is raising hackles among more than just some straight-laced civil servants.

“It is one thing for journalists or even the public to use the more partisan ‘Harper government,’ but it is another thing for the state to equate the Government of Canada with the leader of the governing party,” said Jonathon Rose, a specialist in political communications at Queen’s University.

He notes such language is expressly forbidden under an Ontario law that prohibits partisanship in government messaging.

“The effect of this subtle framing just before an election is to equate government with Harper,” said Rose. “It creates a perception of a natural affinity between one party’s leader and the act of governing.”

The Harper-centric messaging prompted Rose to recall French King Louis XIV and his 17th century divine right of kings: “L’Etat, c’est moi,” quipped the political scientist. “The state is me.”

But Mel Cappe, a former clerk of the Privy Council, finds nothing amusing in the development.

“It is not the Harper Government,” Cappe said in an interview, tersely enunciating each word. "It is the Government of Canada.

“It’s my government and it’s your government.”

Cappe said the usage brings to mind Harper’s own quip of last summer on the Arctic tundra: “I make the rules,” Harper told journalists after he disembarked from an all-terrain vehicle.

“What this shows is the hubris of this government’s approach,” said Cappe, president of the Institute for Research in Public Policy in Montreal.

“We are governed by laws. Not by men. This is trying to change that.”

Peter Aucoin, an expert in public administration at Dalhousie University, also said the “Harper Government” branding exercise should be belled for public consideration.

“It’s the executive abusing the powers of government for purely partisan reasons. Period,” said Aucoin.

Leslie Seidle, another former Privy Council official who now works with Cappe’s IRPP, had a far more sanguine view, calling the moniker “simply a creative use of language.”

“I can understand that some people might find it unusual, but quite honestly I don’t think there’s a lot of ‘there’ there,” said Seidle.

Cappe agrees with Seidle that the issue is “totally inside baseball.”

“It matters to maybe 600 people in Canada,” said Cappe, before exhorting The Canadian Press to take the issue public.

"But my sense is it’s this subtle erosion of our understanding of the institutions of government that leads to a lack of credibility and respect on the part of the public.

“And that’s why it is important. That’s why it counts.”

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/tories-rebrand-govt-canada-harper-govt-expert-says-20110303-125237-072.html

Typical arrogance from the Harper Government. This @sshole is notorious for canning anyone who vocalizes any sort of opposition to Tory policy. Man, I can’t wait for this guy to go. Blue would love him though. :wink: :o

It’s going to take like 15 years to reverse all the damage this cat is doing to Canada. The worst part is that he is a lapdog to the Globalists. He’s all about the North American Union. Unfortunately he’s a VERY smart man. I wish I could say he’s stupid like G.W. Bush is. Unfortunately for Canada, he’s a member of Mensa and apparently has a VERY high I.Q.. Actually the VERY worst part of all this is the other choices for PM. Like who? Jack Layton or that poseur Iggy? Or maybe we could go with a Bloc or a Green(provided they can ever hold a federal seat) PM, lol. :rolleyes:

“Harper government” to monitor social media/facebook groups

I wonder… if it’s the ‘Harper Government’ does that mean it is not bound by Canadian Law?

this can be our canadian thread… lol… all in one…

i dunno bout the law part… but how much money are they gonna spend to change every sign, letterhead, etc etc…??? just so harper can ego trip and assert his dominance… he’s such an autocrat, he’s a sh1tty PM… he’s only still in there cause he has no real opposition… we can thank all the gods that he doesnt have a majority government… thank you thank you thank you…

anyways, so once he is replaced by another tory for leadership of the party or loses an election, so what? we have to pay to put all the signage and letterhead back to the way it’s supposed to be???

i’d like to see the actual numbers here…!!!

for a conservative, he isnt very fiscally responsible… he’s like republicans… tax cuts for the rich and cut everything else that doesnt affect rich people in a negative way… who cares about the lowly citizen who make less than 1mill a year, they arent the ones who buy his election anyways… he needs to please his masters, his donors, not his constituents…

remember a few weeks ago when he and peter mckay went at it over the painting of the airplane he flies around in??? its a multi-purpose jet… its used to move the PM around, but its also a military jet in active service in other capacities as well… so its the same color as the rest of the military jets, dull dark grey… harper is whining that he wants it to be red and white like our colours… but then the jet wont be available for military missions and we’ll have to replace it somehow… so a new paint job would cost exactly 1 other jet and whatever the cost to actually paint it is… stupid little man… it was all a play to do two things… #1 get that jet assigned to him and him only… #2 fly around in more style and make a better impression to other nation leaders… he wants to look like a canadian air force 1… and thats just not gonna happen… canadians just dont waste money like that… sh1t, we even use transport choppers to do water rescue and they dont even have floaters, lol… scary stuff… a recipe for disaster… alas, we have ordered some new rescue choppers for the near future… no more water duty for the land birds…

Surveillance Society. It is happening all over the place. Watch out!

It is rumored that Al Quaeda is recruiting more alcohol drinking, strip club frequenting Islamic fanatics to this time attack Canada. The Canadian government, out of the kindness of her heart, is going to keep an eye on all Canadians through the internet and in other ways.

Furthermore, official US Intelligence sources say that government agencies should specially keep an eye out for a new breed of middle class Islamic terrorists who are involved in the porno movie business, hence Islamic porno stars have been put in all national terrorist lists and are subject to questioning when going through national and international ports…

This is a long standing tradition actually.

The Trudeau Government was branded as such, but Government of Canada is all you’ll ever see on a tax return or federal document of import. For propaganda and blurbs and campaign junk mail, “The PM Government” has almost always been the norm.

The Martin Government, The Chretien Government, the Mulroney Government and all the rest.

there are far more important reasons to throw this guy out of power than this thing. This is a distraction and fairly meaningless.

The in/out scandal is pretty big right now. the Torie are being completely absurd trying to turn criminal charges into a “disagreement”. lol.

I don’t have an issue with that, it reminds us WHO is in government, LOL !

Well, i’d rather have Harper than the other options.

Harper is disrespectful of Canadians and of the notion of democracy.
I’d rather not have him.

I would prefer a coalition government at this point with no party having power over the others.

I would like to see all these people work together for us as a Nation…for a change instead of working for themselves as a party trying to cement power.

Harper is ridiculous on so many levels, as are the other guys. I don’t think any of them deserves to have a majority or to have anything else but a coalition government.

[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1081719]there are far more important reasons to throw this guy out of power than this thing. This is a distraction and fairly meaningless.
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hence the title of the thread… not serious canadian politics… i’d talk about the serious stuff but it would be a convo between only 3 or 4 of us…

like how harper wants to paint his plane… except its not his plane and having a bright red jet doing military missions seems a bit, uuuummmmm, STUPID…:slight_smile:

this is all i know about canada, so i think canada is freaking awesome!

Project Democracy

Type in Your Postal Code to see which candidate has a chance of defeating the local Conservative.

http://www.projectdemocracy.ca/

[QUOTE=Lucas;1082915]this is all i know about canada, so i think canada is freaking awesome!

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That’s just Halifax dude.
A smallish province on our east coast.

x50 for Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver

And yes, many of us emulate those goons in TPB…
unfortunately, but funny as hell.

i think i’d be insulted if i was classifed along with the trailer park boys…

halifax is like a lil universe of its own… they have their own customs and language… different rules altogether…

and you thought the irish had broken english, just try to understand a dude who can trace his roots to halifax for generations… you’ll be saying “what?” alot…

[QUOTE=Syn7;1092938]i think i’d be insulted if i was classifed along with the trailer park boys…

halifax is like a lil universe of its own… they have their own customs and language… different rules altogether…

and you thought the irish had broken english, just try to understand a dude who can trace his roots to halifax for generations… you’ll be saying “what?” alot…[/QUOTE]

Haligonians are Scots By.
The Newfs are the Irish. Dubliners.
Halifax is Scots (Nove Scotia=New Scotland in Latin)
Drink more whisky and you’ll better understand them fer sure eh! :slight_smile:

Elections Canada warns voters over false poll calls

Voters in ridings across Canada are being warned not to trust calls telling them to go to different polling stations, according to Elections Canada.

Elections Canada has had reports from several ridings from voters in Ontario, Manitoba and British Columbia who claim to have been given false information that directed them to the wrong place to vote.

The campaign of Frank Valeriote, the Liberal candidate in Guelph, issued a statement on Monday saying it has received calls from citizens claiming they received calls from Elections Canada or the riding’s Conservative candidate saying the polling station has changed.

The campaign has complained to Elections Canada and the Guelph police.

“This is clearly illegal and has not being conducted or sanctioned by Frank Valeriote or anyone in his campaign,” said the statement from the Valeriote campaign.

Ben Grossman said he voted in Guelph at 9:30 a.m. on Monday and when he arrived at his home 30 minutes later, there was a voice mail message from a blocked number telling him the polling station had moved across the city. He said he reported the call to Elections Canada.

Elections Canada is reporting that it has received more than 100 complaints from Kitchener-Waterloo and the Guelph areas. Another dozen complaints were fielded in the Ottawa area.

Kathy Mahoney received a call in the Ottawa area that claimed to be from Elections Canada.

“[The call said] due to higher than normal voter turnout, they were changing our poll station. Then it got maybe a little staticy or garbley. You couldn’t hear where the polling station was. And then it left a 1-800 number to call if you had any questions,” said Mahoney, who is married to Richard Mahoney, a Liberal candidate in recent elections.

Mahoney tried calling the 1-800 number but there was no response. She said her phone’s caller identification feature said the number carried a 450 number, which is from suburban Montreal.

The fictitious phone calls are also plaguing voters on the West Coast.

Elections Canada has received complaints from voters in British Columbia over calls offering false information.

Susan Friend, an Elections Canada official, said the agency never calls voters directly to warn them that polling stations have moved.

“Elections Canada would like to warn voters to disregard any phone calls you have where you are being told to go to a different polling station,” Friend said.

he Canada Elections Act says it is prohibited to “wilfully prevent or endeavour to prevent an elector from voting at an election.” If a person is guilty of contravening the act, they could face a fine or jail time.

Names cross off voting lists
A different type of voting problem was experienced by several Montreal voters.

When Robin Warren showed up to vote on Monday, she said her name had been crossed off the voter list.

She had to sign an affidavit swearing she had not voted already.

While Warren was at the polling station, she said another woman who lives in the same apartment complex had an identical problem.

“On my way back home after we dealt with all this I ran into another group of ladies outside and all their names were crossed off the list, and they had to go through the same thing of signing affidavits. There’s something not right here. There’s too many people in one building,” Warren said.

Warren said she called Elections Canada to complain but she said the elections agency called the situation an irregularity.

Earlier concerns over prank calls
A spokesman for Liberal Anita Neville, who’s running for re-election in Winnipeg-South Centre, said they started getting calls from voters on Saturday asking whether their polling stations had changed.

Some reports have said voters are getting phone calls telling them their polling station has changed, but Francine Bastien, an Elections Canada official, wouldn’t say precisely how people are getting the false information.

“We just want to make sure that both the media and the voters know that there have not been any changes in the voting [locations] … and that the documents they receive from Elections Canada [and] the Elections Canada website is the accurate information they should trust in order to vote tomorrow,” Bastien said.

“I don’t know the details exactly but I understand they were getting information to the effect that they should vote in different locations, sometimes being referred to locations that were an hour away from their residence.”

Bastien said she can’t yet address whether the election agency will investigate the false information.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadavotes2011/story/2011/05/02/cv-election-polling-pranks-411.html

They damn well better…

Done. My votes in! Woot and it was packed!

Le sigh…

Well, at least the Bloc’s been reduced and Elizabeth May’s in parliament.

I hope she puts her floor time to good use.

That is my attitude as well.

It is good the bloc is gone. Good riddance. Completely irrelevant to the greater part of Canada and pretty much useless in a governmental way to all of us as a country. So yay!

The NDP is a better opposition to the PCs than the Liberals ever would be.

The Liberals got a well deserved smack for failing to gel on the leader issue. Ignatieff was unfortunately appointed and not elected. That always never sat well with me. Dion was unintelligible. I wonder about the party itself at times they do such hubristic things. So, humility may cure them of some of that.

We are simply gonna have to chomp it when it comes to L&O and Military money being spent over and above education and health care. That sucks, but that’s what we voted in. So, we move forward. :slight_smile:

The stupidity of the liberals arrogance in causing an election that no one wanted and that was destined to bite them on the ass, has caused them to get beaten like a red headed step child.
And deservingly so.
The increase in the NDP vote shows that disilusionment of the BQ and Liberal voters.
While I am not a fan of majority governments, it was inevitable under the circumstances of the opposition forcing this stupid election.
We will see what Harper does with a majority.
The sooner they get rid of Ignatiff and his ilk from the liberals, the better.
Next up" Mcguinty and his HST liberals !
Won’t be too soon for me !

[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1093319]The stupidity of the liberals arrogance in causing an election that no one wanted and that was destined to bite them on the ass, has caused them to get beaten like a red headed step child.
And deservingly so.
The increase in the NDP vote shows that disilusionment of the BQ and Liberal voters.
While I am not a fan of majority governments, it was inevitable under the circumstances of the opposition forcing this stupid election.
We will see what Harper does with a majority.
The sooner they get rid of Ignatiff and his ilk from the liberals, the better.
Next up" Mcguinty and his HST liberals !
Won’t be too soon for me ![/QUOTE]

Amen bro.

Good to see the liberals get their noses rubbed for the stupidity of their leader.