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[QUOTE=Frost;963995]don’t sweat him Ray I think he watched one too many episodes of kung fu when he was younger.[/quote]actually i hardly ever watched kung fu…

you are out there competing something he can’t understand as its an alien concept to him,
it’s not an alien concept, its a useless one…

afterall martials arts were developed for enlightenment not for fighting … :slight_smile:
actually it was those who were enlightened that brought to the table the concept of using the martial arts as a vehicle to gain enlightenment… a mediation to be more precise. the martial arts are used for one thing only… self defense of yourself, your family, and your loved ones - everything else is the strivings and cravings of the ego.

[QUOTE=Ray Pina;963999]It’s OK. I’m secure. Believe me, that fight haunts me. [/quote]is this like becoming an oxymoron or something??

Let the haters hate… even if they’re well-balanced, centers, spiritual types.
i don’t hate you or what you do… each to there own, but i find it hard to sit idle on a kung fu forum board where everyone can present there perspective of the arts for all to see…

[QUOTE=Ray Pina;964000]my a$$hole is perfectly round too.[/quote]how do you know this?? :stuck_out_tongue:

You could just as easily have called up the video with me knocking around traditional types (but guys with nut enough to show up).
actually that was the only one i found.

Look at the difference… with them, regardless of their size or technique, it’s like a game. I’m like a lion playing with a mouse. And they’re all at least 10 years younger than me.
LOL… so you like to beat up kids?? :rolleyes:

Against “sport fighters”, look how my advantage is pulled down.
see from my perspective, i don’t understand why one would choose to willing put themselves into a position to where one had to fight according to rules, regulations, morals, ethics, and all that fun stuff… to myself the martial arts are reserved only to protect my children, family, and those whom may be around me - there is nothing that i wouldn’t do in order to achieve that end… nothing. i must ask you how one naturally prepares oneself to go ballistic and primal on people intent on doing extreme physical harm to someone close to you such as your child??

That says it all. Wins and loses are all there. I got nothing to hide, but unless someone can show me more looks like I’m the most senior Kung Fu guy here when it comes to providing evidence of what I can do.
now ray, this is a very egotistical statement… who cares?? not me. you live in your reality and i will live in mine. :slight_smile:

God knows I’m willing to fight anyone who claims to be better.
thats the main difference right there ray… you fight to defend your ego and pride, i fight to defend my life and family - no one is better in that extreme, not even you. this would apply to anyone on the boards… i am sure that each and everyone of you people on here would claim to annihilate anyone attempting to harm your family or children, so i am proclaiming it publicly aswell.

I now have the promotional contacts to make it happen for those interested. I’d be willing to investigate if a Vale Tudo clause could be instated for a special Kung Fu vs Kung Fu match here in Puerto Rico. Could be fun.
well then you can kidnap one of my children and i would willing travel to your little sandbar and mutilate you, otherwise, there is no reason for me to fight you or anyone else… call my mom a wh0re, woopie do da… maybe she is?? harm my kids, and your dead. pretty simple perspective…

[QUOTE=Dragonzbane76;964011]Sounds exactly like something someone would say that’s never actually stepped into the cage or ring.[/quote]for me it is improbable… i have nothing to defend by choosing to step into a ring. the concept is lifeless to me…

Grats ray for actually having the courage to step in there.
more power to him… it’s people like him that provide good solid entertainment to the commercialized martial arts world.

[QUOTE=TenTigers;964027]LOL, well, that was over quick.[/QUOTE]compared to the course of geological time, yes… it was rather quick. :smiley:

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anyone looking for quick results in kungfu training should just not bother at all with it.

being able to fight is NOT kungfu. It’s a little bit of it, but certainly not what the point of kungfu is.

no matter how much Dave Ross will shout about that.

kungfu need not even have anything to do with martial arts at all.

but, I guess with the blanket term and simple minds, it can be that at the gate of it. :slight_smile:

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[QUOTE=David Jamieson;964102]kungfu need not even have anything to do with martial arts at all.[/QUOTE]you know, i muse at the entire concept of having a magazine called “kung fu” simply because of this. LOL… by definition, “kung fu magazine” should incorporate those who have aquired kung fu in 10,000 things under the sun… it seems even the concept of “kung fu” has become a commercialized agenda that preys on the weak minded individuals who do not see thru the illusion of it all… martial arts are not kung fu, they are just one aspect where one can aquire it. :slight_smile:

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[QUOTE=uki;964117]you know, i muse at the entire concept of having a magazine called “kung fu” simply because of this. LOL… by definition, “kung fu magazine” should incorporate those who have aquired kung fu in 10,000 things under the sun… it seems even the concept of “kung fu” has become a commercialized agenda that preys on the weak minded individuals who do not see thru the illusion of it all… martial arts are not kung fu, they are just one aspect where one can aquire it. :)[/QUOTE]

anyone looking for quick results in kungfu training should just not bother at all with it.

it’s not a sock puppet magazine.
it’s relevant to it’s audience. :slight_smile:

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[QUOTE=David Jamieson;964121]it’s not a sock puppet magazine. [/quote]wasn’t implying it was, merely pointing out some of the finer discrepancies in the grammatical use of the term “kung fu”.

it’s relevant to it’s audience.
LMAO!!! yes… you are 100% correct there!! :smiley:

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[QUOTE=uki;964098]
see from my perspective, i don’t understand why one would choose to willing put themselves into a position to where one had to fight according to rules, regulations, morals, ethics, and all that fun stuff… to myself the martial arts are reserved only to protect my children, family, and those whom may be around me - there is nothing that i wouldn’t do in order to achieve that end.[/QUOTE]

You’re not the only person with a child and a survival instinct. What if the perpetrator has more children then you and is also better prepared?

I fight according to rules and regulations and under a sanctioned body to make a dangerous thing as safe as possible while remaining within the law to develop the skills I want. Knowing I’m fighting makes me work harder, thus I improve quicker. It’s also fun in its own way. Has it’s own moments. Like after training when you’re so shot you just sit there soak and wet staring at nothing for a while.

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[QUOTE=Ray Pina;963999]It’s OK. I’m secure. Believe me, that fight haunts me. I was so well prepared, but aside from all the usual fight challenges, fighting as a gringo in Puerto Rico provides some of its own. The pressure and some of the pre-fight drama got to me. Again, it’s not only OK it’s awesome… I’ve learned and grown so much from it.

Let the haters hate… even if they’re well-balanced, centers, spiritual types.

I know how terrible Royce Gracie looked against Matt Hughes. It looked like they grabbed some middle-aged guy out of the crowd. Royce is awesome. On any given night, against any fighter, the match up can go either way. Circumstance.[/QUOTE]

thats actually my favourite fight of all time

i like bjjj but i absolutely cant stand the gracies and it was about time some one shut one of them up

of course hoyce was sick that day:rolleyes:

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[QUOTE=Ray Pina;964057]Pushups on the Phoenix Fist… that’s good. I never thought of that and no one ever showed me. I’m going to start incorporating that into my competitive ground and pound game… not on classmates.

Phoenix fist is good, though I’ve had teachers weary of it because they have seen folks injure themselves using it in fights.[/QUOTE]

make sure to have a slight tilt downward with the wrist when you practice it in striking is stabalizes the strike and will keep you from injuring your wrist :smiley:

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[QUOTE=goju;964142]make sure to have a slight tilt downward with the wrist when you practice it in striking is stabalizes the strike and will keep you from injuring your wrist :D[/QUOTE]
That is but one of many methods.
In SPM, we strike with many different angles; sometimes straight, sometimes downward, sometimes vertical, sometimes inverted with the wrist cocked backwards, sometimes sideways with the wrist bent. you can thrust it, or snap it, or hit with a flexed snap of the wrist.

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I’ve been meaning to develop my phoenix eye fist. Any precautions to keep in mind? The other day I tried phoenix eye pushups and my knuckle joint got sore as hell.

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i think trying to do phoenix eye push ups right off the bat is too much and youll end up hurting yourself

you should gradually build up

id recommend starting on a bag and slowly building up the striking power then once you can deliver a full force strike to the bag move on to harder surfaces and then push ups

another thing you can try is making the phoenix eye fist and positioning the striking point of the knuckle against a wall and lean your weight on it to build up its strength
this works good for the spear hand conditioning as well

im sure theres different opinions /methods but that is my two cents

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[QUOTE=goju;964140]

of course hoyce was sick that day:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

No, Royce was old fighting a seasoned, experienced, young champion.

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And the Gracies have done more for unarmed martial arts in the past 20 years than anyone or group I can think of over the past century.

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[QUOTE=TenTigers;964152]That is but one of many methods.
In SPM, we strike with many different angles; sometimes straight, sometimes downward, sometimes vertical, sometimes inverted with the wrist cocked backwards, sometimes sideways with the wrist bent. you can thrust it, or snap it, or hit with a flexed snap of the wrist.[/QUOTE]

I like to crack all four of those knuckles across the upper lip with a snapping overhand. That’s a fight ender.

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[QUOTE=Ray Pina;964172]I like to crack all four of those knuckles across the upper lip with a snapping overhand. That’s a fight ender.[/QUOTE]
Leopard fist, ginger fist, or Tiger Fist, all similar four knuckle strikes. Very effective, Ray. Excellent choice.:cool:

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[QUOTE=Ray Pina;964171]And the Gracies have done more for unarmed martial arts in the past 20 years than anyone or group I can think of over the past century.[/QUOTE]

not really the chinese have had style vs style nhb competitions for centuries not to mention they got the idea for the ufc from a bruce lee movie lol:D

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sure it wasn’t Thunderdome?

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[QUOTE=goju;964181]not really the chinese have had style vs style nhb competitions for centuries not to mention they got the idea for the ufc from a bruce lee movie lol:D[/QUOTE]

This might be true but there haven’t been too many documented cases of large scale NHB in china in the last century of so, 1923 and 1928 I think, maybe a few more but I can’t recall them.

Ray is right in that love them or hate them the Gracie’s had the largest impact on martial arts in the last centur.. They brought reality back to the traditional martial arts, they reminded us that real fighting is nasty up close and usually involves some kind of grappling. Not to mention that no member of the family ever backed down from a challenge, even Ronion has had documented no rules matches.

In addition they created 3 new sports, MMA, submission grappling and BJJ all of which are widely popular. Not to mention their impact on popular culture the way the general public view martial arts and fighting in general has changed dramatically due to the impact the Graice’s and the UFC have had

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[QUOTE=Ray Pina;964136]You’re not the only person with a child and a survival instinct.[/quote]no sh!t ray… i pointed that out in my post. :rolleyes:

What if the perpetrator has more children then you and is also better prepared?
ah… but why would a man with children attempt to harm my family or my own?? obviously this individual does not have love or care for his own if he is attempting to harm someone elese… failed logic ray.

I fight according to rules and regulations and under a sanctioned body to make a dangerous thing as safe as possible while remaining within the law to develop the skills I want.
LOL… i don’t want anything more. obviously you want more because you are not content with yourself.

Knowing I’m fighting makes me work harder, thus I improve quicker. It’s also fun in its own way. Has it’s own moments. Like after training when you’re so shot you just sit there soak and wet staring at nothing for a while.
well i am glad you like what you are doing ray… please remember that i am not putting down what you do and why, i am merely presenting to you why i do not do what you do… and you won’t find me on a surfboard playing in the 30 foot waves… i have a healthy respect for the ocean… i’m a tiger afterall and we don’t like to get our paws wet if we don’t have to. :stuck_out_tongue:

and why not be a sport and put your pushup’s on phoenix eye fists in my 10,001 ways to strengthen the fist thread…

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[QUOTE=uki;964219] why would a man with children attempt to harm my family or my own?? obviously this individual does not have love or care for his own if he is attempting to harm someone elese… failed logic ray.
.[/QUOTE]

I don’t know. But if you really think only men without children perpetrate violent crimes, there’s an issue in understanding here that I just can’t help you get over

[QUOTE=uki;964219]
LOL… i don’t want anything more. obviously you want more because you are not content with yourself..[/QUOTE]
If my understanding is right you learned your skills from an Asian woman but haven’t been training with anyone since. I don’t knock what you learned, because I don’t know what you studied, and I don’t knock that you aren’t training with others now. I would suggest though, that while you have been idly maintaining what you have, a great many others are adding to what they have. Also, a trainer or coach will push you MUCH further than you’ll push yourself.

I’m never content with my martial arts or surfing. That’s why I’m now fighting in the cage and living on an island with big waves. This is just how I’m wired. Further. Never backwards and never staying the same.

[QUOTE=uki;964219] well i am glad you like what you are doing ray… please remember that i am not putting down what you do and why, i am merely presenting to you why i do not do what you do.[/QUOTE]

We’re all different. I don’t judge what anyone does. But as soon as someone starts posting what I think is faulty logic, as a member of this board and a lover of martial arts, I think its important to post a counter, just for the record so its there for eyes to see.

In this most recent case, I think it’s a disaster to sit content thinking the love of your children will save the day while your skills, while perhaps showing up in your day to day life, have not been pressure tested in some time. If you want to use your weapons you have to maintain them.

There is a time to put them on the shelf, but hunger and love for your family alone will not bring down a buffalo.