kung fu sucks. mma is better than kung fu. i have no escuses. i still like kung fu
I like Kung Fu too. But like my collar chokes… it could be better.
[QUOTE=Ray Pina;963795]It’s hard to keep up with the circular retardedness which usually accompanies these conversations.[/quote]well… the sphere is the perfect shape, so i guess i am the most perfect retard who just rolls away from anything you could possibly say to insult me…
Usually goes from Kung Fu’s too dangerous to people accepting that their biggest names, most popular masters haven’t done any real fighting to the point of martial arts is inner peace and then they get self conscious again and start talking about how those fights aren’t real fights and real skill is in fighting multiple opponents in life or death situations with or without weapons but there masters haven’t done that either… though the technique seems to work especially well on students in front of the video camera.
the only retarded thing i see around here with you is that you talk like some macho ringfighter with advice for all of us to live by, but then having found a recent video of you in a cage, i don’t think i saw one punch that wasn’t thrown in reaction to your opponents… no stealth, no feints, no aggression, no speed, lots of wasted energy by hip-hopping around… and of course that final desperate lunge that ultimately inflected and became the death of your match. LOL. actually… i am still attempting to analyze exactly WHAT it was that i saw…
[QUOTE=Frost;963802]LMAO this is so spot its spooky, and having been on both sides of the argument and a firm believer in all of the above until I had my eyes opened can I just say again LMAO[/QUOTE]so are you implying that my eyes aren’t open?? LMAO!!! your laughter must be contagious!!
once again… sport fighting is simply all it is. though i must admit, ray’s match was VERY entertaining. 
[QUOTE=uki;963980]well… the sphere is the perfect shape, so i guess i am the most perfect retard who just rolls away from anything you could possibly say to insult me…
the only retarded thing i see around here with you is that you talk like some macho ringfighter with advice for all of us to live by, but then having found a recent video of you in a cage, i don’t think i saw one punch that wasn’t thrown in reaction to your opponents… no stealth, no feints, no aggression, no speed, lots of wasted energy by hip-hopping around… and of course that final desperate lunge that ultimately inflected and became the death of your match. LOL. actually… i am still attempting to analyze exactly WHAT it was that i saw…
so are you implying that my eyes aren’t open?? LMAO!!! your laughter must be contagious!!
once again… sport fighting is simply all it is. though i must admit, ray’s match was VERY entertaining. :D[/QUOTE]
So show us you doing it better…lmao or better still show us you doing some real fighting in the streets since sport fighting is beneath you
your eyes may or may not be open, but i think you need to engage your brain before you start typing as i have yet to see one constructive post from you, hell one post that makes sense would be a start
[QUOTE=Frost;963981]So show us you doing it better…lmao or better still show us you doing some real fighting in the streets since sport fighting is beneath you. apparently you are missing the bigger picture here…
your eyes may or may not be open, but i think you need to engage your brain before you start typing as i have yet to see one constructive post from you, hell one post that makes sense would be a start.
there is common sense and there is uncommon sense, which is nonsense to those with no sense. 
[QUOTE=Frost;963981]So show us you doing it better…lmao or better still show us you doing some real fighting in the streets since sport fighting is beneath you. [/quote]apparently you are missing the bigger picture here…
your eyes may or may not be open, but i think you need to engage your brain before you start typing as i have yet to see one constructive post from you, hell one post that makes sense would be a start.
there is common sense and there is uncommon sense, which is nonsense to those with no sense.
There’s good nights and there’s bad nights in anything. Work, play, training, fighting.
If I didn’t think I had it in me I wouldn’t go or would have quit a long time ago… one of the best lessons I’ve learned from martial arts.
Three years ago folks here told me I’d never fight in the cage, that I’m too old. You’re the person I’ll quote when I post my first win, which will be coming soon. You’ll see.
[QUOTE=Ray Pina;963993]There’s good nights and there’s bad nights in anything. Work, play, training, fighting.
If I didn’t think I had it in me I wouldn’t go or would have quit a long time ago… one of the best lessons I’ve learned from martial arts.
Three years ago folks here told me I’d never fight in the cage, that I’m too old. You’re the person I’ll quote when I post my first win, which will be coming soon. You’ll see.[/QUOTE]
don’t sweat him Ray I think he watched one too many episodes of kung fu when he was younger
you are out there competing something he can’t understand as its an alien concept to him, afterall martials arts were developed for enlightenment not for fighting …
It’s OK. I’m secure. Believe me, that fight haunts me. I was so well prepared, but aside from all the usual fight challenges, fighting as a gringo in Puerto Rico provides some of its own. The pressure and some of the pre-fight drama got to me. Again, it’s not only OK it’s awesome… I’ve learned and grown so much from it.
Let the haters hate… even if they’re well-balanced, centers, spiritual types.
I know how terrible Royce Gracie looked against Matt Hughes. It looked like they grabbed some middle-aged guy out of the crowd. Royce is awesome. On any given night, against any fighter, the match up can go either way. Circumstance.
[QUOTE=uki;963980]well… the sphere is the perfect shape, so i guess i am the most perfect retard [/QUOTE]
my a$$hole is perfectly round too.
You could just as easily have called up the video with me knocking around traditional types (but guys with nut enough to show up). Look at the difference… with them, regardless of their size or technique, it’s like a game. I’m like a lion playing with a mouse. And they’re all at least 10 years younger than me.
Against “sport fighters”, look how my advantage is pulled down.
That says it all. Wins and loses are all there. I got nothing to hide, but unless someone can show me more looks like I’m the most senior Kung Fu guy here when it comes to providing evidence of what I can do.
God knows I’m willing to fight anyone who claims to be better. I now have the promotional contacts to make it happen for those interested. I’d be willing to investigate if a Vale Tudo clause could be instated for a special Kung Fu vs Kung Fu match here in Puerto Rico. Could be fun.
Ray, how long did you study Isshinryu?
8 years devoted, 6 days a week. Three of those days two classes a night once I became a brown belt and could go to the black belt class.
One of my biggest regrets is losing the kicking that I had. I had very good kicks. I’m older now, but they’re stating to come out again. Been working them on one of those air shields.
I trained at the Sen Shin Dojo in Newark. That sensei was like a father to me.
Interesting to note though. I got into the Issin-Ryu club later in college briefly but the Jersey City cop was a di(k and he stressed straight blasts where we used the reverse punch mostly… I later found out that Issin-Ryu does use that straight blast.
Now, I like boxing’s lead-hand straight but still like to clean up with a reverse.
I love martial arts, so many ways to do the same thing and each has their own flavor and timing.
Interesting to note though. I got into the Issin-Ryu club later in college briefly but the Jersey City cop was a di(k and he stressed straight blasts where we used the reverse punch mostly… I later found out that Issin-Ryu does use that straight blast.
Now, I like boxing’s lead-hand straight but still like to clean up with a reverse.
I love martial arts, so many ways to do the same thing and each has their own flavor and timing.
the only retarded thing i see around here with you is that you talk like some macho ringfighter with advice for all of us to live by, but then having found a recent video of you in a cage, i don’t think i saw one punch that wasn’t thrown in reaction to your opponents… no stealth, no feints, no aggression, no speed, lots of wasted energy by hip-hopping around… and of course that final desperate lunge that ultimately inflected and became the death of your match. LOL. actually… i am still attempting to analyze exactly WHAT it was that i saw…
Sounds exactly like something someone would say that’s never actually stepped into the cage or ring.
Grats ray for actually having the courage to step in there.
[QUOTE=TenTigers;963582]face it, real Gung-Fu is boring and tedious and hard. Nobody practices lien-gung anymore. How many students would stay in a school that made them do mostly conditioning and hard trainng first, rather than instant gratification stuff?[/QUOTE]
A friend of mine was over on the weekend and we were fooling around in my gym, he mentioned if I still do anything “uniquely” kung fu and I said I did, the Phoenix-eye fist.
He asked so I demoed, first I drilled the IP bag I have, then the punching bag then the padded dummy, just to show how it works, then he held a yellow pages on his chest and I drilled him with it, from him to see how it felt.
He wanted to learn it so he tried it and, even though he did it softly, he hurt himself, I told him it takes a lot to develop it, months of daily work, he said he wanted it because it “hurts like hell”, and wanted to know how to develop it.
I showed him the 2 formation to see which he likes better, then I made him TRY to do a push up on it.
Yeah, in his words, " Hmmm, nah, that’s ok, I’ts not for me".
LOL, well, that was over quick.
[QUOTE=TenTigers;964027]LOL, well, that was over quick.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, some people should go back to needle point.
Pushups on the Phoenix Fist… that’s good. I never thought of that and no one ever showed me. I’m going to start incorporating that into my competitive ground and pound game… not on classmates.
Phoenix fist is good, though I’ve had teachers weary of it because they have seen folks injure themselves using it in fights.
[QUOTE=Ray Pina;964057]Pushups on the Phoenix Fist… that’s good. I never thought of that and no one ever showed me. I’m going to start incorporating that into my competitive ground and pound game… not on classmates.
Phoenix fist is good, though I’ve had teachers weary of it because they have seen folks injure themselves using it in fights.[/QUOTE]
Some don’t think that forging the PE fist is needed, I am of the belief that it is better to have a forged tool than one that isn’t.
Push-ups develop the structure of the PE fist, you learn the correct way the PE fist lines up very quickly doing push-ups.
Add to that hitting with the PE fist to where you are hitting the padded wooden post with enough force to make a difference, then you h ave something that you can rely on.
Its a very good strike to use to use to the body from the mount, nice on the floating ribs as you can imagine.
To me the PE fist should be like a “Natural Kubotan”.