[QUOTE=Ray Pina;963738]Unbelievable.[/QUOTE]shows the level of your mental capacity…
[QUOTE=Ray Pina;963738]That’s the problem I had: Sifu’s, high-level guys, implying things like that. Go fight somebody who’s well trained and prepared and see if you finish the thing so clean and neat in one move.
As for my living in Puerto Rico, I deserve it. I grew up working for everything I got in not so great places. I’ve never lost a fight on the street. I’ve never lost a Vale Tudo match, a Throwdown or challenge match. Of those criticizing me, I’ve probably have had more of those than all of yours combined.
I haven’t won a sanctioned MMA fight yet. It’s true. But I will. I’m getting better, and better, and better and better. So enjoy it now, because that’s what a couple of you have thrown at me the past few conversations but that will be gone with 2009.
Now it’s went from pugilistic mastery, to fencing expertise, to peace and love to attacking my credibility… a guy who’s competing and winning in BJJ, willing to go kick box, willing to go MMA, willing to go Vale Tudo or straight up challenge match. I’ll step up… but I don’t know about fighting? Real fighting? Sport fighting? That’s why I come here. So I can soak in all the combat wisdom gained from the sidelines.
Unbelievable.[/QUOTE]
Its not real Ray unless your life and limb are at risk. I understand your contempt for wannabes, but controlled duels are a form of wannabe.
[QUOTE=Scott R. Brown;963743]Its not real Ray unless your life and limb are at risk. I understand your contempt for wannabes, but controlled duels are a form of wannabe.[/QUOTE]he atleasts wannbe’s a real fighter… 
[QUOTE=Scott R. Brown;963723]
The thing is, all you do is engage in controlled duels and “call” it combat! What you need to do in order to get some real experience with really “bad guys” is a few of the following:
I am being direct here Ray, but remember I respect your intentions, but you are too young and too mouthy to know what you are talking about. It is time to grow up and REALLY challenge yourself with some REAL life experience![/QUOTE]
I’m doing what the he11 I want to do. I grew up in Newark, I went to school in Jersey City, worked and lived in and around NYC my entire life. I’ve been in and seen the fights, the stampedes of freaked out people. I’ve been stabbed. I’ve had guns pulled on me.
I like being a martial artists. I don’t want to go to the armed services and have my life controlled… though if I was 18 I would try to go through selection and be special forces.
I’m not a kid. I’m 35 years old. I have over 30 years of martial arts experience. I have countless fights under my belt.
I have lost 3 cage matches and 2 kick boxing matches. I am 0-5 sanctioned. It’s true. What that doesn’t show is all the fighting, scrapping, training, jiu-jitsu victories, experience, relationships being gained behind the scenes. Fighting in the cage is not easy. There’s no second place. I have tremendous respect for everyone I’ve faced there. I could argue that I should have won the decision of my second cage fight, but that’s foolish. Fight. Learn. Move on.
I’m not putting anyone down. If I say martial artists who aren’t training to be combative aren’t martial artists (unless they’re retied) and someone takes offense, I’m sorry. It’s just my opinion. But if it hits close to home and stings a bit consider the why of it. I know what its like to swallow those little humbling defeats of fright and insecurity. Proper training alleviates that.
I have lost and you can say I su(k and so what? I’m tapping and knocking down guys weekly. I know what I got and what I need to get or get back. That’s martial arts to me, again.
i love the smell of desperation…
Well Ray you do not act like you are 35, you act like you are 25 or younger. Your knowledge of Tao is not that of a 35 year old either. My 18 year old has more apparent maturity than you do!
All I am saying is that you want to be critical of others doing whatever the he!! they want to do and act like your definition of fighting is the last word. The fact is I redefined what it means to be a real fighter, just like you did, and my definition is more realistic than yours and you do not do it just like others don’t live up to your definition!
You definition is YOUR fantasy, and my definition is MY fantasy, you think your definition is more realistic than others, MY definition is more realistic than yours. YOU want others to adhere to your definition, well I expect the same from you! If you want to define for others their level of toughness based upon your definition, I have done the same for you.
You are a wannabe by your own definition. I merely applied your own rules to you, but gave a more comprehensive definition of combat!
Your definition is your definition. others have their definition. You want to do whatever the he!! you want, but you want to be critical of others who want to do whatever the he!! they want to do.
What is good for the goose is good for the gander!
[QUOTE=Ray Pina;963746]..you can say I su(k and so what? I’m tapping and knocking down guys weekly. I know what I got and what I need to get or get back. That’s martial arts to me, again.[/QUOTE]
I don’t think you suck Ray. I like you and I respect you, but you are not as realistic and you think you are and you could be a bit more gracious to those who do not fight.
I am not reacting according to my own feelings here. I don’t care one or the other about being tough. I was young once too, I am over it. I was also a state class swimmer and water polo player in high school. I know what it is like to win and lose. It is not important to me anymore. I had my time. I was never interested in competing in anything after high school. Well I did consider doing some MMA in my 30’s, I have known Chuck Liddels’s trainer for years, but family responsibilities take precedences so that was just a passing fancy.
Have fun doing whatever the he!! you want, just try being a bit more gracious to those who are not up to your own standards. You don’t know other people, what their experiences are, their goals, etc. Your goals are your goals, I respect that about you, try respecting others a little bit!
are you the same ray pina that said he had better gnp that matt hughes on that sherdog thread and supposedly was beating up kids in a video and said it was internal kung fu?
http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f7/internal-ma-real-fight-vid-391213/
i did find this… i dunno if its the same person. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq9fKZdboos
LOL… is the guy with the white trousers even remotely comparable to being a “fighter”?? i marvel at the attraction to this type of enviroment… :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=goju;963781]are you the same ray pina that said he had better gnp that matt hughes on that sherdog thread and supposedly was beating up kids in a video and said it was internal kung fu?
http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f7/internal-ma-real-fight-vid-391213/[/QUOTE]
I didn’t open the link but I did say that. I was an ignorant kung fu practitioner at the time. I don’t like Matt Hughes, but I respect him.
[QUOTE=uki;963787]i did find this… i dunno if its the same person. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq9fKZdboos
LOL… is the guy with the white trousers even remotely comparable to being a “fighter”?? i marvel at the attraction to this type of enviroment… :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
That’s me in white. And people on the outside of the cage are entitled to their opinion. That’s part of the thing. You have no idea how many people who’s a$$ I could kick came up to me afterwards with advice on what I should’ve done or could do next time.
[QUOTE=uki;963742]shows the level of your mental capacity…[/QUOTE]
It’s hard to keep up with the circular retardedness which usually accompanies these conversations.
Usually goes from Kung Fu’s too dangerous to people accepting that their biggest names, most popular masters haven’t done any real fighting to the point of martial arts is inner peace and then they get self conscious again and start talking about how those fights aren’t real fights and real skill is in fighting multiple opponents in life or death situations with or without weapons but there masters haven’t done that either… though the technique seems to work especially well on students in front of the video camera.
[QUOTE=Ray Pina;963792]I didn’t open the link but I did say that. I was an ignorant kung fu practitioner at the time. I don’t like Matt Hughes, but I respect him.[/QUOTE]
You are not the only one that respects but dislikes Matt 
I remember reading your posts back when you were evolution fist (I believe) and the back and forth you used to have with David Ross, its interesting to see how your views have changed as you began to use your system in an open sporting environment (I went through the same change) and it is interesting how actually training to compete and actually competing can effect you in a positive way
[QUOTE=Ray Pina;963793]That’s me in white. And people on the outside of the cage are entitled to their opinion. That’s part of the thing. You have no idea how many people who’s a$$ I could kick came up to me afterwards with advice on what I should’ve done or could do next time.[/QUOTE]
lol thats the best part about sports guys, they only offer advise if they have been there and done it, otherwise they shut up and train lol
[QUOTE=Ray Pina;963795]It’s hard to keep up with the circular retardedness which usually accompanies these conversations.
Usually goes from Kung Fu’s too dangerous to people accepting that their biggest names, most popular masters haven’t done any real fighting to the point of martial arts is inner peace and then they get self conscious again and start talking about how those fights aren’t real fights and real skill is in fighting multiple opponents in life or death situations with or without weapons but there masters haven’t done that either… though the technique seems to work especially well on students in front of the video camera.[/QUOTE]
LMAO this is so spot its spooky, and having been on both sides of the argument and a firm believer in all of the above until I had my eyes opened can I just say again LMAO:D
The world is different today than yesterday, it will be different up the road. We humans react to our enviorment.
Back in the days of the Great Depression guys use to fight Bear Knuckel Fist Fights on the streets to earn $ to feed their wife and kids. The" rich boys" enjoyed watching them duke it out, there were no rules.
Gangs used to fight it out also, they didnt’ do drive by shooting, they just kicked you ass.
Kung Fu and M/A were around but hidden so to speak. The Chinese in China held their K/F tournaments , there were no rules, they met in fields or the mountain side, the last man standing was the winner.
The early days of M/A in the USA were different, today M/A are sport driven, Wu Shu - Karate - MMA all have their place.
There are some of the old Tradional Kung Fu - teachers still around, but we haven’t much time left on this planet. We mostly keep to ourselves. Enjoy your days at this present time, pass on it ( Wude ) the best you can. Respect each other. This is a good forum, actually the best one around, lot’s of us enjoy reading it.
A question, what makes one want to learn M/A today ?
[QUOTE=Frost;963800]You are not the only one that respects but dislikes Matt
I remember reading your posts back when you were evolution fist (I believe) and the back and forth you used to have with David Ross, its interesting to see how your views have changed as you began to use your system in an open sporting environment (I went through the same change) and it is interesting how actually training to compete and actually competing can effect you in a positive way[/QUOTE]
I’m so happy now. I’m around people that push me. I have judo black belts to throw me, boxers to punch me and fighters to fight with… my failures are my own now, and not from a lack of preparation. I’ve also learned how to take full responsibility for my training. The options are out there. And competition will keep you motivated because guys are hungry, training hard.
[QUOTE=Frost;963801] shut up and train [/QUOTE]
That’s been my mantra for about six months now.
[QUOTE=Ray Pina;963810]I’m so happy now. I’m around people that push me. I have judo black belts to throw me, boxers to punch me and fighters to fight with… my failures are my own now, and not from a lack of preparation. I’ve also learned how to take full responsibility for my training. The options are out there. And competition will keep you motivated because guys are hungry, training hard.[/QUOTE]
who says you need to study a traditional art to become healthy and balanced 
, very well put Ray and you remind me of the guys I know who compete they are some of the most down to earth and relaxed guys I know, no ego’s or chips they know exactly how good (and bad) they are
Thanks. I appreciate that.