Originally posted by ShaolinTiger00 when using blocks and parry. Use same side arm! If you use opposite arm you open yourself up big.[/B]
I hope you aren’t making that an absolute statement. If so, I’ll have to disagree as there are definately applications where you would block or parry with the opposite side arm. Take your example: he is in conventiaonl left stance and fires l jab, r cross, l hook, r uppercut
Instead of standing in front of him and defending against his strikes, when he throws the left move in and to the side by steping your right foot to 1:00. Knee checks should be automatic at this range. This gets you in close with all your weapons available while momentarily nullifying most of his. As you step in you could either: 1) parry or block with your right and simultaneously deliver a left inward elbow to his solar plexus or lower ribs, or 2) left outward block or parry to his left and strike your preffered target with your right- his whole left side and back is open and you are in a zone of obscurity. So, with that simple step you are in a position where either arm could be deployed to defend that strike.
One point- I prefer to block a jab in toward his body rather than try to parry it. Jabs are deployed fast and withdrawn faster, so you’ll probably catch it on the way back. Borrow the momentum of his withdrawal and use the block or a hard parry to drive his arm back to his chest for a momentary pin. In my experience, soft or riding parries don’t work against jabs. Moving the target is the best way to deal with a jab. The block/hard parry is more of a check on his only remaining weapon at that instant than a defense against his punch.
DNC: this was obviouly a very simple rule but one that is very sound.
However as I had already stated. movement is the better, less exausting defense. this we agre on.
But when your motive is to get to the clinch, you’re going to have to face up to the fact that there is some infighting and you need blocking skills.
You are still block/parrying that with the same side hand. You see a punch come in to your right (his left) and you use your right to block it. exactly what I was saying.
2.) good idea. 1 flaw. slip to the outside of the jab and block/parry it to your left with your Right hand. If you use your left to take it further left it leaves your guard open (again as I said in the text)and take his back.
I too like to catch a jab vs. parrying it, but either can work well.
soft vs hard parry - use the minimum effort to avoid the punch.
parry a stabbing punch across your body, not opening your arms out. keep your elbows tucked!
People use the post from the mount for two reasons.
an unskilled man on the bottom will thrash around wildly and if you give him room will almost always turn face down on his stomach where you can take control of his back.
the skilled bottom man will attempt to “bridge” by bringing his feet close to his butt and lifting his body off the ground in order to buck the mount off or transition to a better spot by doing an “upa” where he will now be in the guard but at least able to get into a less threatening spot.
To “post” First your feet have to be hooked around his thighs. most people I know call this grapevine. As you feel the bottom man rise or spaz you post your arms out wide in front of you and allow him room to turn over.
Was that clear? grappling is often better seen than described.
Originally posted by ShaolinTiger00
[B]Yeah Xebs - “Did you have a point?”
A “posted mount”
People use the posted mount for two reasons.
an unskilled man on teh bottom will thrash around wildly and if you give him room will almost always turn face down on his stomach where you can take control of his back.
the skilled bottom man will attempt to “bridge” by brining his feet close to his butt and lifting his body off the ground in order to buck the mount off or transition to a better spot by doing an “upa” where he will now be in the guard but at least able to get into a less threatening spot.
To “post” First your feet have to be hooked around his thighs. most people I know call this grapevine. AS you feel the bottom man rise or spaz you post your arms out wide in front of you and allow him room to turn over.
Was that clear? grappling is often better seen than described. [/B]
Yes, thank you. I’ll be attending my first BJJ class soon.
Of course you were there Rale…err..I mean Shaolin Tiger00 Not saying you are not a good fighter, or that you dont have a good amount of knowledge, but most fighters know that there is also not just one best way to do everything. Otherwise Royce Gracie and Bas Rutten would not BOTH be effective in the ring, yet they have greatly varied fighting styles. Oh, and to stay On Topic, when you catch a persons round kick, what throw first comes to mind to use, and what do you call it?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ShaolinTiger00 2.) good idea. 1 flaw. slip to the outside of the jab and block/parry it to your left with your Right hand. If you use your left to take it further left it leaves your guard open (again as I said in the text)and take his back.
You are to the outside. I gues it wasn’t clear the way I wrote it, but the foot maneuver is the same for both 1 & 2. It was an example where either the right or left could be used with the same step.
Originally posted by ShaolinTiger00 Best of luck. It may be confusing or frustrating at first, but you’ll adapt quickly.
Thanks. I done some rolling, but never had any proper instruction in it - it’s incredible frustrating to feel you are in the position to slap on a triangle or armbar but not knowing how! If you know what I mean…
Golden - Absolutely! you won’t even find two bjj or pancration guys who fight alike. but the point was that both Bas and Royce keep things very simple. Western boxing isn’t very complex, yet has many options.
Assuming you meant roundhouse (rear leg) the throw/takedown that I think is the most effective is an inside reap of the support leg. This allows you to catch the blow, keep your guard up and put him on the ground with POWER! I was showing this tech to MP and Apoweyn.
both in std. lft leg stance.
you fire rear leg roundhouse, I step forward and into the kick dampening the power and bringing my right leg very close to the support leg. I underhook your calf with my right arm taking the reduced blow on my arm, chest and part of right forearm. (important)- right arm must now protect you. You use a twisting motion of your torso to may him rock back on his heels and you reap your right leg thru him and push with right arm.
This sounds so complicated, but happens so fast!
Once you have “caught” the leg there are tons of options. catching it, keeping it, keeping your guard up is the issue.
Thats the one that I use often as well..but if it was not a ring fight..why not use pressure on the knee instead, or hit smash the kneecap at an angle with you forearm before using that throw? Hmm..your remark about both of them using simple moves…that is the what I am talking about! What I think a lot of the pj crowd doesnt get and what you love to pick apart is that they are thinking that while you are throwing a hook or shooting they are going to do some crazy kick or double palm attack..well, there are lots of simple combinations of foot and handwork that form the basics of most decent kung fu styles that work just as well as your typical san shou strikes, or may even be the same moves…
Oh, I see your point..but I personally dont usually underhook as much as I overhook, mainly because I dont try to grab legs unless they are sloppily thrown at me, or they have already hit me a lot of the time…reaching out for strikes is not what I am about, but if the guy gives me something to throw him around with, sure I will take it.
You take a right step and move forward & outside as I Left jab.
You now want to parry outside and with your right arm push my jab even further to the left (you moved right, chances are that was probably sufficient enough to avoid) take alook at your now open ribs which are very close to me. Wow Look at that opening!
Even though my near arm is blocked across me, I’m going to turn into you and give you a shot with a powerful right hook. My pivioting on right leg and turning into you brings my right hook in perfectly. Ouch. You can’t even use the right effectively because I was able to pivot away
Now you move to the right and use your right to parry across your body as you slide out. Your ribs are no longer open, your closest hand is in good position and tucked. Even if I pivot to line back up, you’re still in great position again.
your way can work. my way will work. fighting is about the odds. I play safe so that my opponents counter’s are reduced.
back to the subject.
Not saying you are not a good fighter, or that you dont have a good amount of knowledge, but most fighters know that there is also not just one best way to do everything. Otherwise Royce Gracie and Bas Rutten would not BOTH be effective in the ring, yet they have greatly varied fighting styles. Oh, and to stay On Topic, when you catch a persons round kick, what throw first comes to mind to use, and what do you call it?