Does anyone have any really information on techniques of this Drunken Technique???
hi
you can adquire de choy lay fut drunken form in www.leekoonhungkungfu.com or buy the magazine where joe keith write an article about this form .
also there is a tape and a book , edited by leung ting about southern drunken monkey and southern drunken form by master chiu chung yat .
good look
Yeah, it depends on what form you mean. I don’t believe their is a southern drunken style per se, rather individual styles have a drunken form or two. I think Li Siu Hung’s is the only video available, unless any of the Hung Gar guys know of a Jow Bot Sin Kuen video.
I’ve seen a southern shaolin form , and it’s pretty much what you’d expect, a few staggers, a few leans, a few cup hands and a few tumbles.
Southern Drunken Videos
We carry two: the aforementioned Choy Lay Fut video by Li Siu-Hung & Sow Choy (Joe) and a classic by Master Chiu Chung Yat (in his 50’s at the time). Joe’s article is available for free in our cover story archive, but if you want to buy that back issue, that’s cool too!
hello gene
i wanna ask you if you know if the form performed by master chiu chung yat belong to a southern system or is the wu tang boxing version ?
also : do you know the system origen of the southern drunken monkey form also produced by leung ting ?
Hopgar
Originally posted by GARRA DE TIGRE
[B]hello gene
i wanna ask you if you know if the form performed by master chiu chung yat belong to a southern system or is the wu tang boxing version ?
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Sifu chiu chung yat (Zhao Zhong Yi) is a famous and legitimate Hopgar stylist.
He is from the countryside in Guangdong province. In the old days it is unlikely he ever heard of the Wutang which was based in Taiwan.
It is said that he won his reputation winning many “matches” when he was young.
wolfen
in conclution : do you say is a hop gar form ?
in the tape sifu chiu chung yat appear dressed like a wu tang elder ( is dramatization telling the history of drunken form ) .
Eight Immortals Southern Fist Form
Originally posted by GARRA DE TIGRE
[B]wolfen
in conclution : do you say is a hop gar form ?
in the tape sifu chiu chung yat appear dressed like a wu tang elder ( is dramatization telling the history of drunken form ) . [/B]
Garra De Tigre
BTW where are you from? Are you from a Spanish speaking country?
I’m afraid you’ll have to explain for me what “dressed like a wu tang elder” means.
I know the people from the Wutang and never heard of such a thing. Wutang was created by Liu Yun Qiao in Taiwan in 1980’s with it’s development in 1970’s.
So no costumes that i am aware of.
It is possible the name was taken fom something in Chinese Cultural History but i never heard of that before.
What does the costume look like?
The form I think is something by itself as the 8 immortals drunken fist.
The story is that Sifu Chiu was taken in by a famous monastery in Guangdong Province Southern in his youth and learned kungfu there. I don’t know how accurate that is.
I have the book in Chinese so maybe someone else with the English version can tell you better what is written in the foreword. I will have to spend some more time translating it.
However a quick look at the intro shows that there is a brief history and cataloguing of drunken kung fu sets. Even Luo Han from Northern Mantis is mentioned and it says that many styles have a drunken set.
However, the book goes on to say something that this form is on from “Nan Pai” and not the same as the “North-South” schools.
The apps in the book certainly all are compatible with Hop Gar as it is all deflecting and closing in on the opponent and seems to use some Hopgar principals and techniques with some rotating punches and the leg deflections look very similar.
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I suspect Sifu Chiu did not get much money form this video or book. I think the lion’s share went to Leung Ting.
I wonder if someone can tell me what hold Leung Ting had or has over the HK scene where teachers had to go through him and have his name put on their books if they wanted to get published in HK?
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You have the video? does it have English overdub?
We must talk. I have some Hopgar video.
I’m afraid you’ll have to explain for me what “dressed like a wu tang elder” means.
wudang robes
You never see crouching tiger hidden dragon? The temples in the Wudang mountains are one of the major centres of Taoism in China, and the heartland for Jian pracitce and internal arts.
You can even go there to train.
Or get forms on VCD
The significance here is that the 8 drunken immortals form is associated with Wudang kung fu.
For more on this check out www.joybotsin.com
(who, pertinent to this discussion have a new DVD out 
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“Wutang” is not “Wudang”
Ah, i see now, Garre De Tigre used some confusing pinyin.
In standard Mandarin Pinyin it wuld be “Wudang robes”.
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“Wutang” is chinese referring to the organization set up by Liu Yun Qiao in Taiwan.
Whereas “wudang” is chinese referring to Mt Wudang in Hubei Province.
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In fact there are no real inheritors of Wudang Kungfu per se as almost none of it survived. It is mostly Made-Up-Fu in Wudang, a lot of it borrowed from Made-Up-Shaolin-Fu.
Possibly the only real practioners of Wudang Kungfu are the priests of Jinding at the top of the mountain. Some of it might have survived and been returned there, but they could also just be using modern kungfu like everyone else.
Their primary purpose for being there is to achieve enlightenment, they don’t promote kungfu for it’s own sake, and they are not open to the public.
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There are some good hardworking (kungfu/sanda) schools without the phony robes in the town and countryside around Wudang Shan.
Chinese youth come from all over China to study there.
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And back to Sifu Chiu’s Drunken form, it could well be that is one of the few forms or kung fu that survived from Wudang.
Very little survived there, only the stone. Many generations were massacred through many epochs.
Most that is left is guesswork.
Wutang is the Wade-Giles spelling. Grandmaster Liu’s Students tend to use Wutan.
Originally posted by Ben Gash
Wutang is the Wade-Giles spelling. Grandmaster Liu’s Students tend to use Wutan.
Yes, i know its big confusion from using many standards.
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Wutang is Wade-Giles for Wudang and is used by that rock group and is old-time usage now.
However in Mainland China everyone now uses standard pinyin “Wudang”.
Southern dialect speakers such as Taiwanese dialect tend to lose the “g” sound from “Wutang” and many other “ang” sounds. Their Mandarin is not “biaozhun”, and thus mistakenly have used the pinyin “Wutan” and made it as an english name.
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However there are teachers and students from GM Liu Yun Qiao lineage who speak standard mandarin and pronounce “wutang” using the “g” sound and translate as “Wutang”.
If refering to the actual chinese and not the created English name then the correct pinyin is “Wutang” or “Wu Tang”.
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I use Mainland China pinyin because it is the international standard.
But no matter which system of pinyin is used, Taiwan dialect influenced mandarin pinyin is not any educational standard.
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But i didn’t catch the possible double meaning here.
I had quite the trouble imagining GM Liu “dressed like an elder”., whatever that meant. 
wolfen
i am from argentina , southamerica and my email is southernshaolin@hotmail.com , write me if wanna talk about tibetan systems .
RE: Eight Immortals Kung Fu
The Eight immortals system as taught by my late teacher Lau Yee Chan had it’s beginning at Mt. Mo Dong Bronze Hall. Originally it was known as the Eight immortals Chi Gong System before being translated into a system of fighting. Many core internal aspect were left intact as well as the complete chi gong system within itself. This particular system in comparison to Master Chiu’s southern drunken form, begins with fighting skills, simply meaning in the beginning there is no drunken fashion skills at this level however students are introduced to the eight Key word formula of our style: Sticking, Lifting, Directing, Closing, Escaping, Opening, Continuation and falling. The eight of the keyword formula corresponds to a particular Immortal character, also students are introduced to the various usage of the cup hand or Drunken claw. The second level deals with drunken fashion movements of both hands, weaponry and sparring sets. The third and final levl has to do with internalizing ones movements something like drunken tai chi but not so, however if this makes sense thats the best I can describe at the moment. In short our style is taught in 3 levels with the most important being the first.
Troy Dunwood
Lau Family Eight immortals Style
Mr. Dunwood,
Are thier any vids that show some of the Eight Immortals’ forms? I’d love to see the different expressions of the Immortals’ personalities as taught in your system.
Re: Forms
Hello Judge Pen,
We will soon be releasing our hand set “Interlocking Fist”, this set deals mainly with how we utilize the Cup Hand or Drunken Claw. This set also deals with some interesting footwork patterns and unique usage of techniques. Soon we will be releasing our hand set Eight Immortal Fist which goes a little bit into each character and their fighting technique. Our soon to be released titles of finished material will be: Interlocking Fist, Eight Immortals Staff. Our purpose for producing these dvd’s are not so that one may try to learn this technique in the privacy of their home, rather to show authentic eight immortals kung fu and how adaptable and practical it is as a fighting art.
Ba Sien
step one:
drink a whole bottle of rice wine.
step two:
do a form
(it’s a joke)