Greetings,
I posted the link to the form of Small Tiger Swallow in you Mantis Video Section. I don’t know how long the person is going to keep that form available on his site.
Enjoy!
mickey
great clips
thanks for the post mickey. that was some really nice formwork. i especially like how fluid he was in the transition from jumping to striking through while landing.
All in a word…
Flava!
mickey
What branch of mantis is this from??
(interesting sound effects too btw 
)
BeiTangLang,
I really do not know. I visited this site over a year ago and the downloads took forever. When visited the site a couple of days ago, I saw the form and I thought you guys would like it.
mickey
BeiTangLang,
My initial impression was that this was from the Shaolin Longfist style simply because they have the form and their flavor for that form is similar.
mickey
No ofense, but unless this is somehow mantis (which I doubt),..Its toast.
(((ok,…its mantis. who knew?? LOL!)))
It’s a longfist mantis form. Some people call it “Little Tiger Goose”.
In Mandarin, it is known as “Xiao Hu Yan”. Other branches of mantis also have this form. They are at least 80% similar.
Xiao/ Da HuYan
Mantiscool,
INdeed the Da Huyan is a well known set in Mantis circles. Less so with Xiao Huyan but I have heard that it is used by some Tanglang Schools, perhaps back to Wang Rongsheng.
Off the top of my head…
Steve Cottrell
Mantisifu
I have seen a few versions of Xiao Hu Yan but only 1 version of Da Hu Yan?
Originally posted by BeiTangLang
[B]What branch of mantis is this from??
(interesting sound effects too btw ) [/B]
I’ll say Shaolin Long-Fist. This form is contained in the book by Yang Jwing-Ming and Jeffery A. Bolt titled “Shaolin Long-Fist Kung Fu”. The book has a green cover. In the book, the form Xiao Hu Yan is called “Shaw Fu Ien”. According to the book, it is a middle-level form in the Shaolin Long Fist style.
An excerpt from the book:
“The purpose of this middle level sequence is to teach the Long Fist student the principles, ideas, and techniques of Northern Praying Mantis, which have been modified to fit the stylistic features of Long Fist.”
Great book. Great sequence. Great author.
Very popular form in Taiwan Mantis circles, seems less well known in Mainland Mantis circles. My take on it, and my talking with some “Longfist Mantis” friends of mine seem to conclude that this was originally a Longfist set, that had some Mantis flavor injected into it. The few people I have seen do app’s from this set had more of a longfist flavor than Mantis.
Jake
I think I can clarify some confusion here as far as how the Small Tiger Swallow form came to Long Fist.
The form Small Tiger Swallow practiced by Long Fist guys in Taiwan was originally from Seven Star Prying Mantis. The reason it looks more like Long Fist was that the people who practice it did not know the difference between PM and Long Fist. It was NOT modified to fit the stylistic features of Long Fist. The way to practice PM is actually quite different from LF.
The author of the book “Shaolin Long-Fist Kung Fu” prabably did not know how the form came to Long Fist from 7* PM. He was taught by his teacher and his teacher did not pass down all the details of the history. Small, Middle, and Big Tiger Swallow are typical 7* PM forms. In 1950’s, Several senior students of my GM Han were sent by GM Han to learned PM from GM Wang, Song Ting. That was how Little Tiger Swallow came to Long Fist’s curriculum. Later the author, Mr. Yang’s teacher, Lee Mao-Qing(my LF younger uncle) learned the form from his senior LF brother.
There you go for the history.
Cheers,
Interesting, but I am not sure on this. I have never seen this set in the Quan Pu of any traditional Mantis. I apologize but I am not familiar with these teachers you speak of. Could you elaborate?
Jake
This form is also a part of the Northern Mantis/ Shaolin curriculum of Korean master Shin Dae Woung in Italy. Master Shin is from Inchon Korea where he learned Kung Fu from Chinese master Lu Shui Tien (who is better known in the U.S. as the Bagua teacher of Sifu Park Bok Nam).
I’ve seen a variety of spellings by instructors under master Shin but my sifu referred to it as “Shoien” as in “Shaw Hu Ien” run together into one word (take into account that the form & it’s name were passed from a Chinese to a Korean to an Italian, things can get a bit garbled).
Oh yeah, also from what I understand, master Lu Shui Tien was originally from Shantung province.
Shanghai Kid
No I have not seen it, but that does not mean anything either! Interesting topic guys.
Jake
Li Hongjie(my shiye) learned xiao hu yen from Wang Songting.
Becuase Li Hong Jie was better known as a student of Li Kun Shan, famous PM master in Taiwan, others thought this form was taught by Li Kunshan, but it was not.
Li Hong Jie said that this was a form created in the 30’s.
My Shrfu learned small middle and large Huyen and his shifu said these forms were Mizhong yi, not PM.
I recall KUP said the same thing here about a year or so ago. I thought that was interesting.
But I am not drawing a final conclusion as I have seen big dif in different versions of xiao huyen.
Some are like Mi Zhong chuen and some are like 7* ala cha chuei.
Though all definetly being the same xiao huyen.
Xiao Hu Yian, Zhong Hu Yian, and Da Hu Yian are typical PM forms. Many PM line from Jin Woo have those forms too. Although there are several similarity between Northern Shaolin forms and Xiao Hu Yian, Xiao Hu Yian still have several PM trade mark moves that LF don’t have. With the same line of form, Da Hu Yian are all PM moves. Even if PM had adapted some northern shaolin forms to Those Hu Yian forms, the forms were totally transformed to PM flavor or style.
wolfen,
Zou Bao-Fu is NOT a student of Wang, Song Ting. From his age, he was not even born when GM Wang passed away. From his moves, his Long Fist probably learned the forms from Adam Hsu or some Long Fist people. But, he is not a Long Fist family member. Not to mention GM Wang’s line. Even Adam’s Xiao Hu Yian was not from GM Wang directly, He learned the forms from his Long Fist senior brothers.
Zhou Bo Fu made a lot of advertisement and sell video tapes. I think he is a good business man. Sorry to say this. But, there are simply more and more people like that sell wrong information for their business.