Originally posted by ZIM
You ran into a White crane person while traveling? How very nice! 
Tell us more.
there is a story about Wang Xiang-Chai the founder of Yee Chuan travel around China to test his art.
And, story said that Wang Tie with a White Crane fujian martial artist.
I begun to check into what make possible of White Crane Tie with Wang. Since Wang was extremely advance in real life matches track records.
so,
the search begin many years ago about what make the White Crane possible to tie, since I am eage to know relatively how WCK stand…
Since the match of those advance guys usually ended not more then few contacts and the changes is within inches and the energy “turbo-ing” as they drawn it… it is far refine then those time, space concept or static structure or southern Kiu sau type of manual… as we can seen from the record. Wang always send people flying in the instance of the contact. strict pure technical speaking.
So, long story :D…
That lead me to go into trying to understanding about 1, Chan.. 2, fajing… 3, application characteristics… ect
1, So, for Chan…awareness.. trying to understand what is going on. from China to Japan samurai, people going to Zen century ago because they thought there might be something in Zen which can give them magic. and by Miyamoto Mushasi time. Zen has already influence on Japanese Sword art.
what I find out with lots of gurus’ help is that.
Time link with thought. Space link with “silence”… and how “noisy” the thought and the level of “silence” varies person to person and even mood to mood or even day to day.
thus, time and space are very not likely to be a good reference while traveling into advance. because the Observer is inconsistance.
The cultivation of effortless alertness/awareness which is flex-flowing or non attach or non stuck flow to non duality seems to be the path to advance art — magic.
But then, that get into a paradox. once one get into the non duality. there is no seperate observer and the object to be observed. So, where is the enermy or Qing when there is no Me and Chinese?
Thus, I always argue about once people brought up the over turn the Qing. That art is doom into duality. Can’t be that advance.
(don’t believe me?
let say in the the Chan sutra.
Sen Siu wrote " Body is bodhi tree, mind is the mirror, always clean it, so that it doesn’t stick dust."
while Hui Neng wrote " Body is not bodhi tree, mind is not mirror, there is NOT “A” Thing, how is it stick dust?"
and Hui Neng becomes the 6th patriach not Sen Siu who still stuck in duality, body, mind, cleaning mirror, there is mirror there is dust, there is Sen Siu, there is time, time is one of rupa spoken in the Varja prajna paramita sutra…)
That state of Non-duality, be it in Osense of Aikido or in Wang Xiang-Chai of Yee Chuan… or TaiJi’s Wu Ji or Sun Lu-Dang… might explain why advance martial artists become the cultivator of Dao the more they travel the path wanting to acquire that magic. And, it seems that when one get that Magic. the art transform into Compassionate. what matter from an individual’s win or best fighter now become “what can I serve human being to become better.” a strange path. But then may be, What can I serve human being to become better is a better path then I am the best I am invicinble…
2, So, for Jing…energy manupulation… force with path issuing… that lead me into medirians, Chakras, kundalini… breathing…
and what I find out it that if the “body both internal and external” is not “soft enough” and flex flow enough. Internal injury will be cause if one tries to turbo the power.
the term flex flow appear here. I believe that mind and body are partner and following the same rule.
On the other hand, energy is energy… we can explain with different term if one doesn’t like Qi or Chakras… that is not important. those are terms. the important thing is can we reproduce the result… and we have to accept the existance of a different diamention which we call it qi or kundalini… ofcause there is influence from muscle and joins and… but lots of things coexist… iMHO
IMHO,
it seems that White Crane has influence Yee Chuan in certain way, perhaps the match between Wang and White Crane is real not just a story.
and strange things that SLT, White Crace, Yee Chuan share some characteristics… and the "snake " E12P comes to play because the “soft enough” internally and externally requirement.
Furthermore, say “soft enough” when applied to breathing. ask ourself, do we breath with noise? do we stop breathing? one has to be really honest with oneself, because same with turbo of boxter S. turbo needs clean combustion and if the breathing stuck. it can damage internal organs due to long term localized pressure or short term bust…
IMHO, I never belive in those Standing post or TaiJi with only external shape or movement… a boxer or wrestler with good breathing will sure better then a Standing tree hugger who can’t breath disregard of how many years one train.
so, only when one is totally free or flex flow or soft enough… in mind and body, the turbo will begin. otherwise, it will stuck somewhere.
don’t know why I always got data from those white crane and Yee Chuan practitioners… who I have no idea of but inspire me to convince myself SLT has “it”. may be that has to do with reincarnation and pass live experience… same with Eddy Murphy’s Haunted House’s incident. 
Some is tired of me speaking history.
But, May be, just may be, the history study is just trying to find out where the ancestors of the red boat keep the key of that Metalic Blue Boxter S 2004. I really don’t care if Rene tell me it is from Hakka or Fujian or Monk or Nuns…or Brazil Or Canton. hey non duality right? Rene just give me that key. Diaz is waiting.
just some thought. no turkey tonight. almost a vegan. sweet dream and remember " how can we serve human being better "
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