I think most of the level change comes from you stepping, then bend your knees if you need/want more. You only use your waist and neck to any effect when your slipping to the rear. Even then its mostly about what you are doing with your rear foot and ankle (piston.)
Bobbing and weaving is all about your knees and stepping. The waist can give you a little extra movement at the expense of balance, mobility, time, and power for counter punching.
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IronFist,
I don’t know if any of these tips will help you, but they have helped me in the past. When I first started sparring with my current class all I had was boxing and okinawan karate experience. So, I fought a lot like a kick boxer in a sense, but with joint locking techniques. I would curve my spine a bit, and tuck my chin. Which is what I was taught to do. Now, after doing wing chun and yang taiji for a while I no longer slightly curve the spine, nor do I tuck my chin. I found these habbits to slow down my mobility actually. Since wing chun is very big on structure I found myself correcting myself when I slipped back into karate/boxing mode (which is not a bad thing, just different than how I train now). I find it easier to bob, duck, and weave against strikes. I am at a more optimal position to move, keeping the spine striaght, tail one tucked, and the head in upright posistion (golden thread theory).
Now, I train some defensive techniques called glass body techniques (I am sure some schools call it something different). This is really practiced with slow sparring. When someone hits you in slow sparring roll the hit off your body by rotating it. If someone lands a punch in your xiphoid process turn your torso and roll the hit off. You are still getting hit, but are also in effect weakening the strike. The key is to keep it slow and when you get hit act like you get hit and try rolling it off your body. There is an old saying that goes along with boxers. They get lots of bruises, and occasionaly get hit. That is because a lot of the hits they are receiving they are rolling off their body. It is a last ditch effort kind of thing to do, but it does work. Just remember to hold no tension in your body and keep it slow, with controlled movements. This also helps you read your opponets body better. Once you get proficient at it, you can carry it over to fast paced sparring more easily.
Originally posted by blooming lotus
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was that before or after you used it
If you think it’s no good , it’s probably bcause you dont know how to use it…and you stfu …I have more boxing experience than most folks on these boards [/B]
This is what an abdoer is (scroll down to the middle). I’m pretty confident in my statement that it’s a piece of junk. My friends use it to prop up a bench to make a steeper incline.
[B]The AB-DOer pro targets your upper abs, lower abs, obliques and lower back all in one fat-burning circular motion.
The AB-DOer pro will burn fat as it flattens your stomach in just minutes a day.
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So BL was right all along! I mean, if the infomercial says so, it must be true. It does upper abs and lower abs and burns fat in one exercise! Wow! I’ll take two!
I normally sit it close to a lower chair or sofa or bed or something to get a better angle..but if you can be creative in your workouts, you’ll gt better use out of it…
for freaks sake…its called innovative thinking couplesd with genuine desire :rolleyes:
Serpent…wtf is your problem…you know that rarely what you say is true…there are many threads here I have gotten advice from…just not from any of your comments…,.
I have figured 3 things
peace
In all honesty, you don’t need an abdoer. There’s not one angle that thing will hit your abs with that you can’t do on your own. IMO, any ab machine is a waste of money, except maybe those rollers, and even those aren’t necessary.
How does the AbDoer work your lower back (it says it does)? Is there resistence against your lower back? Or are they just being stupid and saying it to sell it, kind of like how people say crunches work your lower back, when they don’t at all, because there’s no resistence opposing the muscles during crunches.
I mean, they say it works upper and lower abs, and we all know how true that is.
like I said…get creative already
incline and decline lower back extensions and yes…you haveample resistance
Originally posted by blooming lotus
[B]I have figured 3 things
Right, it must be one of more of those things. After all, it couldn’t possibly be that you’re full of it and I won’t buy any of your shit.
IronFist,
FWIW, you can do several crunch-like exercises that will work your lower back. However, this thread has gone astray. Who cares about abs, this thread is about dancing like a butterfly. So, lets stop arguing about nonsense.
I don’t know if you read my earlier post, but those glass body techniques I was referring to really helped me learn how to move when I got hit.
Let us know how your training fairs, and which techniques and drills helped you the most.
Good luck,
GF
on the bobbing and weaving…
what’s the best height to hang the rope? I’ve seen temple and shoulder height.
Do you want to kep your back straight? If so, all of the bending is essentially in the knees for ducking?
I would say you always want to keep your back straight. That way you are not committing yourself forwardly, nor giving you opponet anything to work off of. I know a lot of boxers slightly curve their spine forward. This can give your arm more distance reach by doing that and pushing your shoulders forward a bit. It can also defend the body and make defensive swallowing techniques more effective. But it also makes it easier for your opponet to throw you off balance since you are not 50/50. So, there is a reason for both. I prefer 50/50. There is no better way, only preference. Look at dragon style kung fu and their dragon back. Its the extreme of curving the spine but it has its reasons.
Find what works best for you.
what about if you sort of counter the lean forward with a tucking of the pelvis?
I tend to do that to get some spring on a counter when I get one in. I don’t know if it makes sense or not but it seems to work for me, it does require I bend my spine though.
I always keep the tail bone tucked for structure. You can do it, and its not a bad idea. However, you are still giving your opponet something to work with. If I were to lop you in your shoulder/neck area you are just making it easier for me to pull you down off your center. Keeping your tail bone tucked in will make it harder, and you can train ways to counter my lop, but I would still prefer to be upright and 50/50.
Some styles do that. I believe some long fist style pull put their arm out, and they are inviting you to grab at it. They use that to their advantage. You can do things to ‘bait’ your opponet, but if they are keen to it, then its all done in vein.
If it works for you it works. I know I still lean forward a bit or backwards a bit from my karate training. So I will have to correct myself from time to time.
I keep my back fairly rounded because that’s how you do crazy monkey. It also helps you keep your shoulders shrugged up, and keeps the stomach kind of far away to help prevent body contact.
Anyway, it’s funny about pelvis positioning in fighting stances. From a support standpoint, your back is much weaker with your pelvis tucked in. If you tried doing this while lifting weights you’d be setting yourself up for a big injury. This is why, when deadlifting, squatting, or benching (or almost any lift, for that matter), you’re supposed to keep a strong arch in your back (arch = butt sticking out). But if you were to fight like this, you would be leaving your abdomen expanded and stretched out, invited blows and injury.
Keeping your back rounded will help drop your shoulders and extend your reach. It also makes it easier to swallow incoming punches towards the mid to lower part of your body. It also keeps your weight a bit forward, which gives me something to work off of. I use the lop a lot in fighting and will lop the shoulder/neck area and pull it down towards my center. This really throws your balance off and puts me in an instantly superior position. One dropping elbow after that and the fight is over. Of course I don’t use elbows in sparring, I wouldn’t want to seriously hurt anyone.
Keeping the pelvis tucked in is probably misconcepted by most people. You don’t tuck it in using tension. You do it naturally, its almost like pulling your hip bones slightly in and up. This makes your body a better structure for fighting. Keep your spine straight and your head erect by its crown (golden string theory). This puts you in the most optimal position, so if you do have do something drastic you can move any direct and change your stance to whatever a lot quicker when being 50/50, and keeping your stucture (spine, tail bone, legs) in a nuetral stance.
Hold your arm straight out from your center and stick out your tail bone. Have someone push on that arm until they knock you over. Then do the same thing with your arm centered and your tail bone tucked. The person pushing you will find it a lot harder to do so, and you will resist it a lot easier. That is because of the bodies natural structure.