If you had to make a choice between training your skill and training strength, which would it be and why? Lets say because of your job, wife and kids or time constraints that you only have enough time in your schedule to train only 1 thing.
Skill:
Fighting drills, timing and distancing drills, sparring techniques, 2 person fighting forms, hands on grappling, throwing etc etc.
Strength:
Push Ups, Dynamic Tension sets, Weight Lifting, Strength Forms, Resistance Training etc etc.
I know they all are important, but if you had to chose. Which is more important and why?
[QUOTE=ginosifu;820719]If you had to make a choice between training your skill and training strength, which would it be and why? Lets say because of your job, wife and kids or time constraints that you only have enough time in your schedule to train only 1 thing.
Skill:
Fighting drills, timing and distancing drills, sparring techniques, 2 person fighting forms, hands on grappling, throwing etc etc.
Strength:
Push Ups, Dynamic Tension sets, Weight Lifting, Strength Forms, Resistance Training etc etc.
I know they all are important, but if you had to chose. Which is more important and why?
Ginosifu :p[/QUOTE]
You mean one at a time right? you can only train one thing per session?
[QUOTE=ginosifu;820740]Yes, only 1 thing at a atime.
To be more specific, for the next 6 months your time is limited to 1 hour of daily practice. Would it be strength or Skill that you would practice??
Ginosifu :p[/QUOTE]
I would alternate, just like I do now
I only have 90 mins, and I have never been a fan of doing both strength training and such AND skill based work together, though you can mix some of the same attributes into a Heavy Bag workout for example, I stil prefer to split up my “aerobic and anerobic” conditioning.
one hour a day every day, I’d split the week. I’d do sport specific strength 3 days a week, then technique 2 days, with the other days for rest/light/active recovery. you probably shouldn’t strength train (if you really mean strength training) more than 4 days a week anyways!
[QUOTE=bodhitree;820747]one hour a day every day, I’d split the week. I’d do sport specific strength 3 days a week, then technique 2 days, with the other days for rest/light/active recovery. you probably shouldn’t strength train (if you really mean strength training) more than 4 days a week anyways![/QUOTE]
And alternate the next week - technique 3 days , ST 2.
As for how many days one should ST, now there is a can of worms !!
LOL !!
Why? Because with skill I can neutralize the threat and escape.
With just strength, all I can do is go force on force.
Besides, skill work will build strength as well, especially grappling styles.
Ideally we should train the major elements of Skills, Strength, Speed, Endurance flexibility and the heart needed to do the job. But if I could only do one, it would be skill.
[QUOTE=bodhitree;820747]one hour a day every day, I’d split the week. I’d do sport specific strength 3 days a week, then technique 2 days, with the other days for rest/light/active recovery. you probably shouldn’t strength train (if you really mean strength training) more than 4 days a week anyways![/QUOTE]
Strength Training:
I meant Martial Arts strength programs. Power Lifting or any weight lifting that requires downtime or resting intervals is not the type of strength training I was talking about.
Why? Because with skill I can neutralize the threat and escape.
With just strength, all I can do is go force on force.
Besides, skill work will build strength as well, especially grappling styles.
Ideally we should train the major elements of Skills, Strength, Speed, Endurance flexibility and the heart needed to do the job. But if I could only do one, it would be skill.[/QUOTE]
BUT on the other hand
if u bulk up
and become a scary motherfuker
its less likely u’l get into fights at all because people would be scared to start them with you
and with strength u could simply rush people and throw them
I meant Martial Arts strength programs. Power Lifting or any weight lifting that requires downtime or resting intervals is not the type of strength training I was talking about.
Ginosifu :p[/QUOTE]
functional strength is functional strength, whether your moving weights, boulders, linebackers, people, or whatever. If you’re talking about push ups and stuff, that’s muscular endurance, and you could do it for a warm up or a cool down!
Why? Because with skill I can neutralize the threat and escape.
With just strength, all I can do is go force on force.
Besides, skill work will build strength as well, especially grappling styles.
Ideally we should train the major elements of Skills, Strength, Speed, Endurance flexibility and the heart needed to do the job. But if I could only do one, it would be skill.[/QUOTE]
not necessarily. it would depend on how much more skilled you are than the other guy. this post assumes that you severely outclass him.
[QUOTE=Scott Meneely;820781]functional strength is functional strength, whether your moving weights, boulders, linebackers, people, or whatever. If you’re talking about push ups and stuff, that’s muscular endurance, and you could do it for a warm up or a cool down![/QUOTE]
I have a different opinon about strength.
Strength training such as power lifting and heavy body building increase strength! However they also build in such a way that they do not move well for martia arts moves. Over the last 20 years many students came to my school after lifting weights for many years. Their arms and shoulders were so thick and muscular that they could not move functionally the way the style / form asked them to move.
There is a old kung fu statement about arms / fists:
Arms should be like ropes, Fists should be like rocks at the end of the rope. Arms swing from the shoulders like they are literally ropes with rocks attached at the ends.
Yes you are correct, strength is strength, however, the results of your strength training will affect your martial arts movements.
That is just becasue they did body building, not strength training. Old school strongman training gives you real functional strength like what a martial artists needs. Why do you think so many modern gyms have gone back to that stuff in the last 5-7 years or so?
[QUOTE=Scott Meneely;820781]functional strength is functional strength, whether your moving weights, boulders, linebackers, people, or whatever. If you’re talking about push ups and stuff, that’s muscular endurance, and you could do it for a warm up or a cool down![/QUOTE]This is correct.
[QUOTE=ginosifu;820790]I have a different opinon about strength.[/quote]Which is fine but seems to be based in your own anecdotal observation over science.
While I don’t doubt your statement, the way they’ve been training is frankly wrong. These people have been tending to go for bodybuilding rather than strength training, and furthermore , they haven’t ever been shown how to stretch out properly. I’ll bet that also among your students and even among people who’ve dropped out of your school for whatever reason, there’ve also been functional strength trainers who you haven’t noticed as such because they don’t contradict this:
Correct. However, the effect may just as well be good.
In answer, I just train strength, endurance, stretching right now, because I dont have time to go and meet my training partners. Solo skill training is mostly a waste of time. Bagwork is OK, but I haven’t been able to use my bag since we moved to a place with a smaller balcony. I’ve been training for a long time so the forms are only useful so I don’t forget the forms: their effect on my martial functionality is long since finished.
[QUOTE=Lucas;820800]In that case, by pass it all. Build a posse of guys wielding dark cars, clothes and sunglasses.[/QUOTE]Pah, amateur! No clothes is far more intimidating than dark clothes.
[QUOTE=ginosifu;820790]I have a different opinon about strength.
Strength training such as power lifting and heavy body building increase strength! However they also build in such a way that they do not move well for martia arts moves. Over the last 20 years many students came to my school after lifting weights for many years. Their arms and shoulders were so thick and muscular that they could not move functionally the way the style / form asked them to move.
There is a old kung fu statement about arms / fists:
Arms should be like ropes, Fists should be like rocks at the end of the rope. Arms swing from the shoulders like they are literally ropes with rocks attached at the ends.
Yes you are correct, strength is strength, however, the results of your strength training will affect your martial arts movements.
Ginosifu :p[/QUOTE]
bodybuilding is not conducive to martial arts movements, but powerlifting is great for it. the compound motions involved are great for martial arts.
