[QUOTE=Dragonzbane76;1228669]I’ve seen people get knocked almost out with a broken bone and split nose and still keep coming. The human body is more resilient than most give credit. IMO.[/QUOTE]
IMO, where to strike is important. I have seen someone used hay-maker to hit on the back of his opponent’s head and knocked his opponent flat cold.
Like I said every person is different in there tolerance for pain and threshold. I’ve also seen guys barely get touched and knocked out as well, it’s a 2 way street for sure.
Is that crossface a legit head control move in a shuai chiao match?
When you said that I was thinking of a wrestling cross face, which is not a locking maneuver. When I wrestled it was more of a strike with the forearm to the head was an illegal move but it happened a lot when people shot in for a single leg or you was riding someones back and wanted to move them.
sort of like this.
this is more of what I was thinking about
[QUOTE=Dragonzbane76;1228684]When you said that I was thinking of a wrestling cross face, which is not a locking maneuver. When I wrestled it was more of a strike with the forearm to the head was an illegal move but it happened a lot when people shot in for a single leg or you was riding someones back and wanted to move them.[/QUOTE]
Lol…
It’s not SUPPOSED to be a strike…but it always was, wasn’t it? 
It’s not SUPPOSED to be a strike…but it always was, wasn’t it?
yeah you weren’t suppose to “strike” but when it was time to roll everyone did it.
People who think there is no striking in wrestling, have never wrestled…
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;1228702]People who think there is no striking in wrestling, have never wrestled…[/QUOTE]
I learned all of that the hard way.
I especially hated the tie-up at the beginning.
It was basically a open hand strike to my neck, followed by a grab.:mad:
[QUOTE=Dragonzbane76;1228695]yeah you weren’t suppose to “strike” but when it was time to roll everyone did it.[/QUOTE]
We all did nasty **** in wrestling. Some more than others. But we are all guilty.
Not as bad as rugby though. We had to tape our ears, nuff said. I can live with the shin kicking, but the biting was brutal.
Never been bit in wrestling, but it happens a lot more than most people would think. I saw lots of that.
[QUOTE=Dragonzbane76;1228686]this is more of what I was thinking about
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It’s a “head lock” as long as you use your arm to wrap around any part of your opponent’s head (included neck).
Your not understanding what im saying. Crossface in wrestling is used more versatile including use as a sweeping type strike with forearm. Its an illegal move to lock a persons head and twist. Not really considered a head lock as you think in wrestling.
[QUOTE=Dragonzbane76;1228732]Your not understanding what im saying. Crossface in wrestling is used more versatile including use as a sweeping type strike with forearm. Its an illegal move to lock a persons head and twist. Not really considered a head lock as you think in wrestling.[/QUOTE]
Are you saying that to lock a persons head and twist is illegal in wrestling? What’s the definition of head lock used in western wrestling? You can lock the head but you can’t twist it?
In Chinese wrestling, both lock and twist are allowed. That’s why the old saying said, “when you take the head, the body will follow”.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1228733]Are you saying that to lock a persons head and twist is illegal in wrestling? What’s the definition of head lock used in western wrestling? You can lock the head but you can’t twist it?
In Chinese wrestling, both lock and twist are allowed. That’s why the old saying said, “when you take the head, the body will follow”.[/QUOTE]
It depends on the Format or rules:
In most Collegiate style wrestling formats…you can’t just Head Lock a guys Neck (and crank it) without also having his arm as well. It’s for Safety.
For example: “The Head & Arm” is a great move, it’s a takedown and also a Pinning move. Ya if you sink it in tight, put your head on the side of his arm and crush 'em together… get on your toes. It’s bye bye time.
I’ve seen dudes pinned in less that a few seconds with a Head & Arm right after the whistle blew. Of course if you got pinned that quick…we called you a Guppy!! Haha … a fish!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPN9_It5JmY
This is the pretty much it…only it’s little juniors doing it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dR2tD4Qfno
This is the same idea…only instead of with a purpose of Pinning a guys back down for points…it’s more about the submission.
some cool links
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links-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vFj5eFLTEc&feature=player_detailpage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVgcP235J_A&feature=player_detailpage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0Iu-moZyJM&feature=player_detailpage
lol @ 1:50
the histories of wrestling and lacrosse, sports indeginous to the americas now practised by thousands around the world.
[QUOTE=Subitai;1228739]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPN9_It5JmY
This is the pretty much it…only it’s little juniors doing it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dR2tD4Qfno
This is the same idea…only instead of with a purpose of Pinning a guys back down for points…it’s more about the submission.[/QUOTE]
The 1st clip is the wrestler’s bread and butter if he trains head lock. The head and arm is the normal situation. This way you have controlled one of your opponent’s arms. The head only situation applies well if your opponent’s chest is on the floor and you can twist his neck backward. Since his arms won’t be able to give you trouble at that moment.
The 2nd clip also controls one of your opponent’s arms. Whether it’s stand up or on the ground, you have advantage.
IMO, the head lock will give you advantage in the ground game. You can start with stand up and finish on the ground. To me, that’s true “integration”. On the other hand, when you apply “double hands single leg”, since your opponent’s both arms are still free, you don’t have the same advantage.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1228730]It’s a “head lock” as long as you use your arm to wrap around any part of your opponent’s head (included neck).[/QUOTE]
you aren’t wrapping anything you are driving there head away and peeling it off with your forearm its nothing like a headlock
:eek:[QUOTE=Dragonzbane76;1228686]this is more of what I was thinking about
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This is a version of the head “crank”.
BTW anyone else notice the guy on the bottom’s got boobs!!!
hum…never noted that till you pointed it out. You sir are astute
anyone notice the guy on top is trying to cop a feel of the guy on bottoms boobs?