Rather than listening to rumors, could somebody please tell me when and where Sifu Keit beat a Shaolin Monk in a sparring tournament? Also, was it a full contact tournament and what was the Monk’s name? (Please tell me how you came by this information too) I’ve noticed that Sifu Keit posts on this forum, so if possible, I’d like to get the truth from him. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you.
“Death to rumors, especially the false ones.”
Joe Keit is a good friend of mine and I have never seen him say he beat a shaolin monk at sparring. He did, at tournament 2000, beat a shaolin monk at traditional forms. But even if he did beat a shaolin monk at sparring, whats the big deal?
Dude, instead of worrieng about other people’s achievements, why not do as Joe does, and rather practice your kung fu skill than post here. We dont see him post here anymore. He is probably training to improve his kung fu.
Lighten Up
Eddie,
Why are you so angry? To judge me onone post? Wow, I wonder what you’ve missed from your Sifu. Peace.l
I saw the tournament 2000 video featuring those shaolin monks and they looked like they were just kids. I doubt that any of them sparred during that tournament. I’ll talk to a wah lum friend of mine that was at that tournament to see if any of them sparred.
I was actually in Orlando for the tournament in question. Not only did he not fight the monk in sparring, he was unable to even win his division. However, he did perform well in forms, which enabled him to compete for Grand Champion. When competing for the overall title, his own sifu, Li Siu Hung, was one of the judges. This was widely known at the tournament and highly criticized. As I recall, there was actual booing when it was announced that he won.
I was actually in Orlando for the tournament in question. Not only did he not fight the monk in sparring, he was unable to even win his division..
Hey everyone has a bad day.
However, he did perform well in forms, which enabled him to compete for Grand Champion..
LKH students are known as good performers.
When competing for the overall title, his own sifu, Li Siu Hung, was one of the judges. This was widely known at the tournament and highly criticized. As I recall, there was actual booing when it was announced that he won
Why were the people so worried about who “won” and “lost”?
Tournaments are kind of silly really and taken way to seriously. If you don’t like politics DON"T GO.
Its a good place to show off your style and if you’re lucky to find a good sparring match.
If you go in with anymore expectation than that then you’re setting yourself up for dissappointment.
I was a judge at the tournament and in all fairness he was disqualified from his fighting division because the guy he fought ran straight into his fist and his nose was bloodied. The so-called monk he competed against did some boring wushu form with all the pretty posses but it wasn’t a traditional form. He deserved to win as he was better. All the “star trek” people may have been dissapointed because the “monk” didn’t win but thats life.
Who cares anyway just leave the guy alone. And so what if his sifu was a judge there were like 9 judges in total. None of the “monks” sparred anyhow.
Peace.
P.S. By the way that was like 3 years ago so why the sudden interest now?
CLFNole-
Was it Star Trek or Star Wars? Was this the same event where people dressed as Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker?
I think the reason why this conversation started is probably b/c at the beginning of the instructional tapes Lee Siu Hung and Joe Kiet made, there was mention in the intro for Joe that he defeated a Shaolin monk. This is mentioned on all the tapes, so I think people are just curious about that.
Anyways, whatever. I agree with Fu-Pow about how they shouldn’t be taken so seriously.
By the way, if this is the tournament that I’m thinking of, what form did Joe compete with. I saw him do the sam sing jong, but it didn’t look like the siu sub ji that I know. Are there different versions of siu sub ji, then?
-123
He did Siu Ping Kuen.
Peace.
Freeform,
Your post seemed a little negatively inclined towards Joe, and that’s not cool (specially if he has not done anything to you). I wasn’t angry at all, I’m just wondering why you actually bring this up in a public internet forum, instead of taking it up with the person directly. Just seems like your intend was to stir things up a little.
“Why were the people so worried about who “won” and “lost”?
Tournaments are kind of silly really and taken way to seriously. If you don’t like politics DON"T GO.”
Well said, and actually, If you are really a good competitor, you should know that you win some and you loose some. Shouldn’t you really actually only compete against yourself (be the best you can be)?
I can say this, I speak to Joe often. He is a great guy, and he is a GREAT Martial Artist. When he spoke to me, he only spoke highly of his class mates, his piers, and everyone else in the US Martial Arts Scene. I havent heared him say anything negative about anyone. He shows respect to others, and that’s why I respect him.
Freeform, if you really want to get to the bottom of this (and if your intentions are honourable) then why don’t you just call him. His telephone number is on their website. You will notice that he is a very nice guy. By posting messages like this on a public internet forum, you are not doing anything to help promote the Chinese Martial Arts.
“..“Death to rumors, especially the false ones.”.””
Be careful, this is exactly how rumors start. Dont make yourself guilty of that.
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Eddie, I think you are being overly sensitive. Freeform asked a legitimate question and this is a kf message board, right?! If Joe is selling a video where he states that he beat a Shaolin Monk, I want to hear the story. It is not everyday that we get to challenge a monk. One of my boys who trains in Wah Lum told me about this incident where Joe’s sifu gave him the highest score. This upset other sifus and the only reason nothing was said to Li siu hung was out of respect for his brother, Lee Koon Hung. This happens all the time in tournaments. I think Sifus should not judge their own students period. Let your kf speak for itself. Not to take anything away from Joe’s skills, but does anyone know if Joe has ever won a tournament where his sifu didn’t judge?
at the topurnament 2000, the rules for being eligeble for Grand Champion was 3 divisions plus sparring. ( i think) The monks didn’t spar,so was the monk allowed to compete for Grand Champion just because he was a “monk”.
Joe has won Grand Champion at other tournaments as well.
This is about the dumbest thread I’ve seen on here in a while.
Its so transparently obvious that the person who started it is trying to stir up some ****.
Sorry you’re gonna have to do better than that…we’ve lived through the “Frank McCarthy Experience.”
Haha…lol Frank 
Fu Pow,
As far as this being the dumbest thread ever…I have to disagree. I am sure their have been worse threads. I think listing this as one of your accomplishments on a video tape is pretty lame, when you know the truth.
Also, I haven’t seen anyone answer kfwisdoms question. Personally, I am not that knowledgeable about all the different tournaments, but I would like to know if Joe has ever one a tournament were his Sifu was not a judge.
Come on when selling products everyone pumps themselves up. You always want to sound good so whats the problem. I mean just look at sports going into the NFL draft so many people are listed at 4.3 speed or 6-3 in height, they get to the combines and run a 4.8 and are actually 6-0 in height.
Just read the program books at ever kung fu tournament you go to and every sifu pumps up their credentials having studied with x or y sifu. After a while you will realize that kung fu is filled with large ego’s this why we as a group (kung fu) do not have real big tournaments anymore becuase this sifu doesn’t like that sifu and this sifu doesn’t give face to the other sifu.
Tournaments are all about politics and it looks like they will always be that way. The incident in question happened nearly 3 years ago just give it a rest. Its not like it was a real monk anyhow just a “wushu kid in a robe”.
I agree that someone’s sifu should not judge their own students but it was allowed and there were like 8 other judges so then you have to live with the results, like it or not.
Peace.
I still think this thread is stupid.
Its about the most non-intellectual thing I’ve ever read.
It kind of reminds of when you were a kid and one kid goes “hey my Dad can beat up your dad” and the other kid goes “oh yeah, shut up, my Dad can beat up your dad.”
What’s the point of this thread?
To cut down Joe?
Tell you what…you guys are grown ups…you guys that have a problem with Joe. Go to the school where he trains (www.leekoonhungkungfu.com) walk in and challenge him to a “Gong Sau” match. Mono e mono. Not to the death or anything but just till someone’s in a lot of pain.
If he’s a player of any merit he’ll accept your challenge.
Come back and tell us who won. And if you win you can tell us how bad he sucks and how he’s full of **** and there’s no way he could have beat a shaolin monk.
Until then it’s all claims and words and true kung fu men don’t live by those rules…we live and die by the fist.
I have to agree with Fu-Pow, this really is out of line. Although I have never met Joe, I have had contact with the people from his school and they are among the niced martial artists I have met. A couple of years back I used to manage a big martial arts store and I met a lot of martial artists, sifus, and instructors. I came across a lot of egos and some nice people. I says a lot for a school and the head instructors if their students are polite and kind. It shows what the school teaches and stands for.
About Joe as a marital artist. I have seen a lot of tapes of him and he along with his current sifu and Lee Koon Hung have some of the best stances I have seen any from any CLF practioner. I have a home tape of a big CLF demo in China with a lot of CLF teachers from all over the world. There is a lot of great stuff on it but Joe and his sifu have such beautiful stances and technique its inspiring. Watch how they move, very graceful, they sink in their say ping ma’s and flow from one move to another.
How about we talk about what we have learned from Joe or Lee Koon Hung instead of who beat who?
freedom :
why you don’t explain to us why is the problem if joe beat up a shaolin monk ?
the problem is :
a ) you hate lee koon hung people ?
b ) the shaolin warriors monks never lose because they are shaolin warriors monks ?
c ) you can’t see the diference between press publicity and tournaments reality ?
joe keith is too much things , but most , is a good person .
more humble , than no one i’ve meet . he don’t deserve you speak in his back . why you don’t ask him first ? tell us why you don’t dare ask him first ?
maybe you are searching for new people that want joined you in detract him .
i really don’t know .
123 :
the form joe show in the tournament is siu ping kuen mixed with a part of sup gee kow da kuen . himself wroted this in a previus post , the last year .
OK THEN, let turn this to a productive topic, like judging, and fairness. or, unfairness if you like. How many of you out there have gone to a tourn. and have bin judged unfairly? and on top of that watched another competitor get high scores from a judge from their own school. Well i have. And it just so happens i was at that tourn. and saw this happen more than once. and just to set the record straight, I’m not talking about the grandchampion comp. here. But, I do think when the stakes are high, then integrity in judging should be high as well. And if you are a sifu and you have a student competing in the grandchampionships, then you should step aside and let a alternate judge in. Maybe this is one of the reasons that tourn. arn’t as large as they use to be. add all the politics and you have poor attendance.
So lets hear some other stories or ideas to promote CMA. HOW CAN WE IMPROVE THE SYSTEM.
CFNOLES, I have not seen the tapes in question. but if they do claim something that is not true, it’s not the same as pumping your self up in a program. the program is not for sale on the net. and i think this is misleeding. this is really none of my buss. but just my opionon. Do you think sifu would aprove if he where still alive? I don’t know. I have my doubts. Are you going to ST. Pete? I have a sweet wip chain i would like to compair. all stainless steel.
Freeze:
You know my answer to your question without me having to say anything. Don’t think I will be going to St. Pete cuz I don’t think he (you know who I am talking about) has any students who will be competing or a practicing to compete for that matter. Maybe we can compare whips another time like if Andy has another tourney.
Good luck to you guys.
Hey I saw a tape from the show you guys did in Fort Lauderdale, why didn’t you perform? Resting for the Dragon Boat race? LOL
Peace.
P.S. Say hi to Bill for me and tell him I still have his book if he wants it.