re barry lee
hi all sifu barry lee is a living legand of the wsl methord, wong said as far as fighting , barry lee was his best student , his nickname is the machine, if you have trained with barry i am quite jeolus in a friendly wayy of course i have never heard any person talk badly about sifu lee even though i am not a wsl student any more nor have i met him peace russelsherry
Blood transmitted diseases!
[QUOTE=Anisole;669662]Hi folks,
I was fortunate to attend a class at the HQ where Sifu Barry Lee was teaching. The class was more like a mini seminar we went through the SLT and Sifu Barry picked some aspects to talk about. His approach is concise and realistic.
What I did not know until now was how BRUTAL wing chun is.
Here’s some examples:
How the centerline relates to the bottom three knuckles. Sifu Barry said the bottom two knuckles connects with the lower and upper lip and the second knuckle goes into the nose.
He said what happen to the guy is the lips inside will bust open and huge amount of blood will go down the mouth. The flaps inside the mouth just before entering the food pipe will close off because it thinks that the blood are foreign objects. So, you cant breathe and this is not helped by the fact your nose is broken so your body goes into shock or shuts down.
Sifu Barry was talking about finger jabs and the starting movement in chum kil the two arms raising up before you turn. He said the thumb goes into a person’s eye socket then push out gouging the eye out. He said it has to go inside then outside then he showed the same movement on the dummy.
It was a night to remember and an eye opener to what real wing chun is about, of course he stressed on the practise of SLT.
wing chun is really brutal. cool :)[/QUOTE]
Guys! Never! Never! Never! hit a stranger or even someone you know in the mouth-teeth! If he has HIV, AIDS, Hepatitis A, B, C, etc, you’ll get it also by cutting you knuckles on his teeth, as his saliva contains blood, as all saliva contains blood! Most likely you’ll get infected by his mouth blood onto your cut knuckles! I know of two people who have contracted Hepatitis fighting the same aggressive-hard core junkie dude on two different times several months apart. Lucky he didn’t have AIDS!!! Cheers. Dim Sim. ps. They have got this disease for life, and have had to make some lifestyle and diet changes, including wearing condoms for life while having sex!
And they eventually die.
I am sure Barry Lee is very good, and he has a good reputation.
but…
[QUOTE=Anisole;669662]
I1. How the centerline relates to the bottom three knuckles. Sifu Barry said the bottom two knuckles connects with the lower and upper lip and the second knuckle goes into the nose.
He said what happen to the guy is the lips inside will bust open and huge amount of blood will go down the mouth. The flaps inside the mouth just before entering the food pipe will close off because it thinks that the blood are foreign objects. So, you cant breathe and this is not helped by the fact your nose is broken so your body goes into shock or shuts down.:)[/QUOTE]
what if the opponent is…
wait for it…
…moving?
hi guys. I learn off bill and have learnt and trained with barry. The blood thing he knows as it has had it happened in many fights. Barry was the first westerner to finish under wsl. This was not seen as a good thing and had most me hk trying to kill him. And being a westerner everyone wanted to beat him. The eye thing is a gouge. The reason for his explainin it in a seminaris this is the most easily seen application but there are several. Any questions i can answer about him are welcome.. Also when did you go to the seminar. In aus or germany. As he is not currently teaching.
[QUOTE=bennyvt;960580]hi guys. I learn off bill and have learnt and trained with barry. The blood thing he knows as it has had it happened in many fights. Barry was the first westerner to finish under wsl. This was not seen as a good thing and had most me hk trying to kill him. And being a westerner everyone wanted to beat him. The eye thing is a gouge. The reason for his explainin it in a seminaris this is the most easily seen application but there are several. Any questions i can answer about him are welcome.. Also when did you go to the seminar. In aus or germany. As he is not currently teaching.[/QUOTE]
Hello Benny. I also trained with Bill Dowding and Barry Lee(only for a short time) round about 1993-94. This was before Barry went to Germany to live and teach. Barry Lee went from student to Sifu in 2 years under WSL in Hong Kong as he trained nearly every day, and WSL taught him all he knew about Wing Chun or Ving Tsun, and its applications in fighting other styles including western boxing. WSL was already an accomplished fighter before he began his training with Yip Man. Both WSL and Barry Lee were undefeated in their challenge matches in Hong Kong against all comers. Barry’s incredible short range punching power comes from hitting a wall bag filled with bluestone(small hard granite stones)and pounding the wooden dummy day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year!
When I asked him once, he said he never trained with weights, knew little about chi, or had any secret internal chi forms he was keeping to himself! He basically told me he just trained in sticky hands, wooden dummy form, and wall and punching bag training! He practiced the three forms when it suited him, and he placed great emphasis on the first or SLT form! He has a great knowledge of the practical applications to go with the forms etc, and he also said he was learning new stuff that came into his mind from time to time. Barry Lee performed a half inch punch on me where he only moved his closed fist upwards/forwards on my chest. All the rest of his body remained perfectly still, including his feet and legs. It felt like someone had rammed the top/tip of a baseball bat into me! There were witnesses also. I felt so embarrassed as I thought I could take it with a smile and a grin! I nearly fell backwards and I was mentally stunned! If this was followed up with a another punch from Barry, say to the jaw, the ‘fight’ would have been over for me in less than 1 second! Cheers. Dim Sim.
Bennyvt, dim sim any else
I heard nothing but good things about Barry Lee. Why did he quit teaching? is he ok health wise?
joy chaudhuri
Sifu Barry Lee
[QUOTE=Vajramusti;960712]I heard nothing but good things about Barry Lee. Why did he quit teaching? is he ok health wise?
joy chaudhuri[/QUOTE]
Hey Joy. I don’t know! But since I came upon this thread, BennyVT might know, as I have not had any contact with Bill Dowding or Barry Lee since the middle or late 1990’s. Sifu Bill Dowding, I last spoken too(on the phone), told me that WSL had died, and that he, and his Sifu-Gung Barry Lee were going to the funeral in HK!..I have not spoken to him(Bill)since that date that I can remember. Sifu Barry Lee was offered the WSL lineage-school-academy in HK! after WSL’s death, but Sifu Barry Lee knocked it back preferring to be himself, and teaching through his own schools and trusted Instructors!..Cheers. Dim Sim.
"The original post descibed two well known WSL method actions, so I dont quite see the need for “Kool aid” comments. "
welcome to the wing chun board! where pettyness amongst practioners is unrivaled!
seriously i think to many wc guys think because wc was invented by a woman they have to act like one as well lmao!
barry had a bike accident. So he is in aus at the moment but will be teaching soon. Barry was not undefeated, he told me that any loss he had he trained more and he beat everyone the next time. Barry is human and he says the fights were normally much better people and more advanced then him at the time as they hated the westerner learning off wsl. Oh and barry normally mentions the eye gouge as when the face is bloody your punches can slip off his face so a palm tends to have less chance. A natural progression from the palm is the eye gouge. He mentions it to teach the gouge should be done on the opposite side. My right hand his left eye. If it is done mirror image like most moves the hand can not control the face and they can slip out without losing an eye
Hey Benny
Glenn here… hows things?
Is Barry looking at doing any teaching in Aus??
Glenn
In Response to Goju’s Post, and to Benny & Glenn
[QUOTE=bennyvt;960750]barry had a bike accident. So he is in aus at the moment but will be teaching soon. Barry was not undefeated, he told me that any loss he had he trained more and he beat everyone the next time. Barry is human and he says the fights were normally much better people and more advanced then him at the time as they hated the westerner learning off wsl. Oh and barry normally mentions the eye gouge as when the face is bloody your punches can slip off his face so a palm tends to have less chance. A natural progression from the palm is the eye gouge. He mentions it to teach the gouge should be done on the opposite side. My right hand his left eye. If it is done mirror image like most moves the hand can not control the face and they can slip out without losing an eye[/QUOTE]
Hey Benny and Glenn, When I trained with Bill Dowding and Barry Lee in the early to mid nineties, and only for a short time, Bill D. told me that Barry Lee was undefeated in all his challenge matches! I never asked Barry Lee if he was undefeated in his challenge matches personally. Thanks for pointing this out to me that Barry Lee did lose some of his fights! It just seems typical that some instructors glorify their Sifu’s beyond comprehension to invincible like status, including telling some fibs! But one things for sure! I was on the receiving end of one of Barrys less than 1 inch punch to the chest! It’s 100% true about the power of his punches!
The worst comes from those Japanese karate schools. When I lived and worked in England from 1973-1982, and especially in London, I would join the nearest karate school to keep myself fit and to learn some attack-self defense. I was moving around, living in various places there, including around England itself with a waterproofing company. Martial art schools were only just springing up thanks to Bruce Lee movies, but the vast majority were karate schools of many different styles. Some TKD and other Korean schools also. As I was moving around London, and living around England with my work etc, every friggin’ karate school I trained in had the same bullsh*t story! The instructor would tell us how his instructor or ‘sensei’ was attacked by 4 or 5 heavy dudes, and he cleaned them all up!
When I wasn’t told the above, I would ask the instructor, and nearly 99% of the time he would tell me that classic story that floated around all karate schools. When I returned to live back in Australia in 1982, and later I moved to Gosford in 1985. I joined the biggest karate school there, and guess what! The instructor told us there that the schools owner and chief instructor, who still runs the same school today, and Glenn knows about this school, cleaned up and beat up 4 or 5 guys that attacked him in Hungary before he emigrated to Australia. It wasn’t until years later that I learned that the schools owner and chief instructor only reached black belt status after emigrating too and training with an australian school-instructor!
What did I get from all those Jap karate schools I trained in? It kept me out of the pubs after work, and it kept up my fitness with those heavy-intense warm up and stretching exercises, plus all those thousands of punches, kicks, and blocks! I did enjoy the sparring which was nothing but second to third rate western boxing! All those katas to just box like a poor amateur!? It’s no wonder why so many karate guys keep getting cleaned up in real street fights! If you hear of a good karate fighter it’s because he goes and trains in western boxing to add to his karate kicks. These days there’s Muay Thai, Kickboxing, etc. Why bother with karate!?
I did enjoy training with Simon Lau(Wing Chun)when he opened his first school in London. I was his first student, together with 80 others, who turned up for the opening and training in his school! But work took me way from London again. When I returned to London I had a girlfriend in tow, and Beer, Bongs, and Boxes ruled my life! Living up the north coast of NSW, Australia for many years now, there’s only Korean or Jap styles nearby. I would have loved to stay with Wing Chun(any lineage)just for my love of it, until I dropped dead. Cheers. Dim Sim
lyoto machidas a karate fighter and i know i know people will say he trains with other guys with this and that but the has specifically said the majority of his traning is done out of fathers karate school and he is a karate fighter
kata worthless? no ,the legendary bas rutten was a staunch believer in kata he believed it keeps you in great shape to be able to preform full power full speed kata and in improves your foot work and fluidity
as far as karate sparring looking like boxing well karates allways had punches that boxing has. the hook? karate has it the upper cut? karate has? slipping? karate has it and this is keping it in a tradtional sense
hell theres even a few chinese stiles that bob and weave and flurryI(and no im not talking about chinese kickboxing)
[QUOTE=goju;960875]lyoto machidas a karate fighter and i know i know people will say he trains with other guys with this and that but the has specifically said the majority of his traning is done out of fathers karate school and he is a karate fighter
kata worthless? no ,the legendary bas rutten was a staunch believer in kata he believed it keeps you in great shape to be able to preform full power full speed kata and in improves your foot work and fluidity
as far as karate sparring looking like boxing well karates allways had punches that boxing has. the hook? karate has it the upper cut? karate has? slipping? karate has it and this is keping it in a tradtional sense
hell theres even a few chinese stiles that bob and weave and flurryI(and no im not talking about chinese kickboxing)[/QUOTE]
Duh! Duh! Duh! Amigo!..Learn to spekada and write da Engleesh! before you try to fill me with your Karate Krap!..I’ve been there, done that, in the Karate world, in the 1970’s-80’s! Karate hand-fighting techniques today, copies western boxing, and other styles including chinese boxing, and they try to make it out as traditional stuff, devised hundreds of years ago by their Jap ancestors!!! Cheers. Dim Sim
[QUOTE=dim sim;960888]Duh! Duh! Duh! Amigo!..Learn to spekada and write da Engleesh! before you try to fill me with your Karate Krap!..I’ve been there, done that, in the Karate world, in the 1970’s-80’s! Karate hand-fighting techniques today, copies western boxing, and other styles including chinese boxing, and they try to make it out as traditional stuff, devised hundreds of years ago by their Jap ancestors!!! Cheers. Dim Sim[/QUOTE]
first of all…wow:D
second you must have seen some very lousy karate
third copying chinese boxing? karate is derived from chinese martial arts! lol!!!
the hook uppercut etc etc have existed in asian martial arts for thousands of years it isnt a recent boxing addition
sheesh man dont talk about something you dont have a clue about:D
OH!!! Whoopee DOOO!
[QUOTE=goju;960889]first of all…wow:D
second you must have seen some very lousy karate
third copying chinese boxing? karate is derived from chinese martial arts! lol!!!
the hook uppercut etc etc have existed in asian martial arts for thousands of years it isnt a recent boxing addition
sheesh man dont talk about something you dont have a clue about:D[/QUOTE]
Hey!! Tell me something I don’t know???Buy new batteries for your anal ********??? Goju!?..And! Hey!? GlennR??? …You have not answered any of my emails concerning you!? Are you afraid of me? Or are you just still that pathetic new and used car salesman form the early 1990’s that I met at Sifu Nick’s school? I’ll travel down to the Sydney for a challenge match with you! No rules!?..Hey Benny! Don’t bother with this guy! He’s a complete wanker. He just wants you to teach him stuff he does not know for nothing(money)??? …Hey GlennR! You can keep my Rare Chen Man Ching book on Tai Chi you borrowed from me in the middle 1990’s!, if this is what your silence is due too!? Hey Benny! Glenn’s timing in punches is so out of sync! Just faint a punch, and drive through with the opposite or same hand in sparring with him! He’ll drop! Cheers. Dim Sim.
To Glenn Richards!?
Why are you avoiding me emailing me? I want back my rare Chen Man Ching book you borrowed(conned!)off me, then you disappeared from the Central Coast, all those years ago. I’ll be at Barry Lee’s next public seminar in Sydney, traveling down from the North Coast!..Be There!..You either pay me the current price for a copy of that book! Or, you return my book to me!..Or! We can have a challenge match! No rules! Loser apologizes!! Are you still a used car salesman? Regards, Dim Sim(Gordon). ps. Benny. He(Glenn)just wants to learn free Wing Chun advanced stuff off you for nothing(no money)! Glenn is, and always will be a used car salesman! A con! His hands techniques in timing is terrible! So I’ve heard!!
Kev Bell is right on the money - the CONCEPT is introduced in Cham Kiu form, the specific APPLICATION is trained in the Muk Yan Jong form, as taught by my late instructor, Sifu Wong Shun Leung. Using the thumb in this way, as a potential eye gouge, is a far more reliable method than utilising the fingers and suggestions that it lacks power, etc, are not at all justified. Whether this is unique to our “family” or not, I am not in a position to say, but I’ve not seen it done as such by other lineages in my own experience. As for Sifu Barry Lee’s abilities, I can safely say that they are not exaggerated.
DMP
Comment on David P’s post
That motion in chum kiu has many possible applications- including the use of thumb with control when the opportunity is there. There are other possible applications.
joy chaudhuri
yeh we always got told not to hit the eyes with the fingers. Too hard to aim and the blink reflex is very quick. As stated before this can be an eye gouge (not strike) or simply learn you can hit over the top when the other hand will not be moved to strike as long as you still control. This is more like when the fut san guys do the phoenix fist over the top.