Abel:
I understand you are living in So Cal and looking for competitions. Would you be interested in going against me in an upcoming Kage Kombat?
D@mnit.
JWT
please do this next summer
so i might see it 
I don’t think Abel comes here anymore.
Knifefighter
Why do you always have to try to rile up Abel?
Why not try to be nice to each other this year?
Badger
what a fahag…
When is your next event?
Or, even better, when is your next dog brothers match?
I want to see the great knifefighter in action. :rolleyes:
Didn’t you get pusssed out at the otherground when someone from your own school(supposedly) challenged your identity?
My bad. Apparently Abel does still come here.
lol at nemo
so able knifeeee yall got beef yall gonna do battle??
Ah, once again a calm, rational response to an obvious insult. Good for you Abel. You have, yet again, shown us the proper way a traditionaly trained sifu should respond to a sporting challenge.
JWT
Abel:
Aren’t you in So Cal and supposedly looking for competitions? Since you had expressed interest in the past in testing me out, I thought an upcoming Kage Kombat might be a good venue for that. Apparently it’s not something you want to do.
As far as the otherground, I don’t post there. I very rarely post on the MMA underground, and when I do, I post using a handle that anyone who knows me recognizes.
JWT,
Thanks for your support.
Butter knife,
When is your next event?
"JWT,
Thanks for your support."
In response to this, let me say
!??!?!!?
You know, I gotta big fu(kin mouth, but I got no idea what to say anymore.
BTW, what are the rules for Kage Kombat?
KnifeFighter, keep looking out for an American Kenpo friend of mine, by the name of Jeff Newton. He is determined to rise to the top of the Pankration pile, and I think he just might to it. Jeff is a great fighter, and an absolute NUT for training. Plus, he’s a crowd pleaser. I watched him pull off a full front flip heel kick during a professional kick boxing match. Caught the other guy square in the nose.
JWT
I recall…
That you once posted a general request for KF guys to compete in this:
Let’s look at the rules as posted on the site:
Level Zero:
Opponents start from their knees. No striking is allowed. All submission techniques are legal including heel hooks, ankle locks and knee bars. Competitors can use a GI or no GI. If not wearing a GI you must look professional. No cut off shorts.These matches are 5 minutes long. No overtime.
No striking and you start on the ground. I’d love to fight in this. Seems very realistic!
Level One:
Opponents start from a standing position. No striking is allowed. Same rules apply as to level zero. Except now competitors will be scored on their take downs also.These matches are 5 minutes long, 3 minute overtime if needed.
Again, these rules don’t seem to handicap KF guys at all, so I’d be willing to go for it.
Level Two:
Opponents start from a standing position. Striking is allowed to the body while standing and on the ground. No striking to the head is allowed. No back spine shots are allowed. All submission techniques are legal. These matches are 10 minutes long.With a 5 minute overtime.
Wow, it gets better and better. We can use body shots now! Break out the tequila!
Level 3:
Same as level two. Except now open hand strikes are allowed to the head while standing only. No striking the head while on the ground. Must wear a mouthpiece in this division. All submission techniques are legal. These matches are 10 minutes long with a 5 minute overtime.
****! You mean I can ***** slap these guys! It’s a gay man’s dream. Oh, wait. I’m not gay.
I suggest you call this guy…
Ralek’s Best Friend
Level 4:
Will only be used in Hawaii
for our King of Kage Kombat.
Opponents start from a standing position. Open Hand strikes to the head are legal standing and while on the ground. Kicking to the head while standing is legal. No elbows or head butts to the head. Must wear mouthpiece and shin and instep pads on legs in this division if you want to kick to the head. All submission techniques are legal. These matches are 10 minutes long with a 5 minute overtime. Level Four is for King of Kage Kombat only. Must know how to defend yourself efficiently when your oponent has the mounted position. You will be tested by our safety staff before ever being allowed to fight in this division.
Man, this is the best. Everyone knows that all real throw down fights have to take place in Hawaii!!! The volcanic aura adds that extra mmpph to qi. I like that fact that, if we want to kick to the head, and give these losers a fighting chance at taking us down, we have to wear pads to announce our intentions!
Abel, I say you go for it. How can you possibly lose?
Abel:
I am thinking about doing the next Kage Kombat. I was thinking you vs. me might be a good match up. Traditional kung fu vs. eclectic mixed martial arts. It could be good advertising for you if you are thinking about opening a school here.
Shin:
I believe those are the old rules from when they were in San Pedro. The rules now are pretty much like the Pancrase matches that you have in Japan, but we don’t use any padding on the shins or feet.
As far as rule restrictions, all of us are all restricted by them. I cannot throw elbows to my opponent’s face or back of his neck. I also cannot knee him in the face or dig my fingers into his eyes when I have his back All of these are strong parts of my repertoire, but I think I have enough other things I can use so that it doesn’t matter too much.
Kung fu guys are not any more limited than anyone else. Maybe they just don’t have as many other useful techs that they CAN use? Hmm…..
Most MMA fighters train in closed fist striking, but can only use palm strikes, such as those found in many types of kung fu. So in this respect, I would say the kung fu guys might have the advantage.
Knifefighter
With all due respect, if you insist on challenging SifuAbel you atleast owe him the courtesy of telling him who you are & what you look like.
I think you should also remember that a cornered animal is a dangerous animal.
Forcing someone to fight may end up in the same way.
You may not get the easy fight you hope for.
Badger
haha
So, you expect people to compete in tournaments where they can’t even keep the rules up to date? Why don’t you go find an up to date copy of the rules and post them.
“Kung fu guys are not any more limited than anyone else. Maybe they just don’t have as many other useful techs that they CAN use? Hmm…..”
Now that’s just about the stupidest comment I’ve ever heard.
It’s not a question of technique, it’s a question of expertise.
Take someone who trains in grappling and put them in an event where they can’t take it to the ground. Sure, they will be able to swing a few punches, but it’s not their area of expertise, so they will be handicapped. This even applies to MMA guys, since people do tend to focus on their strengths, and there are more than a few MMA who focus on their striking game.
The rules as listed favor grapplers and those who take it to the ground.
All of that is really moot though. Go get the real rules and post them somewhere we can all read them.
Badger:
I was under the impression that he had figured out who I was or that someone had told him. However, based on his previous posts regarding his training and expertise, I was also under the impression that he felt he could handle me easily, regardless of who I am or what I look like (neither of which are very impressive anyway).
I’m not forcing him to do anything nor am I looking for an easy fight. Sifu Abel is supposedly a very accomplished CMA practitioner. I wouldn’t expect to get anything else but a good fight from him.
Shin:
You feel that the rules favor grapplers and those who take it to the ground? How is that? Can’t the kung fu guys keep the grapplers from taking them down? Why can’t they fight once they get taken down? I thought most styles of kung fu were complete systems that covered all ranges of fighting anyway.
By the way, the fighters are stood back up anytime there is not significant action on the ground. I would say that favors the stand up guys. All they have to do is stall on the ground until they are stood back up.
As far as the rules, they are basically the Level 4 that you posted on the last page- minus the shin and instep padding. All shots to the body and palm strikes and kicks to the face and head are legal.
Knife fighter:
Can’t the kung fu guys keep the grapplers from taking them down?
Come on. Any realistic person knows that no technique works 100% of the time. And let’s be honest, we are talking about strikers here. A shiao jiao guy would probably be fine under these rules.
Why can’t they fight once they get taken down?
The rules seem to state that there is no striking on the ground. If you specialize in striking, as a KF guy or an MMA, you are limited.
I thought most styles of kung fu were complete systems that covered all ranges of fighting anyway.
When did I say that? Did you hear those words come out of my mouth? Can you find a post that I made, that you can quote me saying that?
No, you can not. You aren’t arguing with every kung fu guy out there, you are arguing with me. So stick to the facts.
Oh, and until you can post the real rules so we have a basis for discussion, you have zero credibility. Also, you might want to include why the rules were changed.
shin,
he did post the real rules. He said it was level 4 (that you yourself posted on the first page) minus the shin/instep pads. Strikes on the ground are legal, just no elbows or headbutts to the head. If an accomplished fighter can’t keep the fight from hitting the ground against an opponent who’s determined to get it there, then he better know how to use his skills to get back up. Like you said, no technique is 100% effective, that’s why you need to expose your skills to different situations/styles/fighters, etc, so you can learn to adapt.
The rules favor SAFETY, and nothing else. There isn’t a group of BJJ elitists sitting in the back room going “Hey, strikers can stop our takedowns if we let them use pressure point strikes, we better outlaw them”. It’s a good format, short of allowing closed fist strikes to the head. If anything I figure I’d someday use this format to compete in to test my overall skills (once I got past the first few levels of course :)). I use a lot of open hand strikes (including all chops, ridgehands, heel palms, and open/willow palm style strikes), so maybe, just maybe I’d be able to find out if I’m using them effectively. For me personally that is.
I’m not trying to be on one side or another here, but I’m actually very interested in seeing this match actually happen. I’d most likely be rootin’ right down the middle, but hey, that’s because I’m just like that. I’d even root right down the middle for all of Ralek’s challenge matches, if he ever actually has one (besides his sparring match that is).