Just curious, but how do all of you deal with the shoot?
Please be specific as to which shoot your particular defense is usually worked against. (IE single leg low crotch, double leg high crotch, double leg low, ect…)
And BJJ guys… Defense against a neck crank?
Against a single or double? Sprawl and go for the Guillotine choke.
What type of neck crank are you talking about Bro?
poke 'em in the eye
sorry couldn’t resist…
hmmm, can’t you do a wizzer against a single leg if you sprawl to the same side as the leg being grabbed?
wizzer? Please explain.
WD - Im on my back with kirk in guard, his eblows on my chest and hands wrapped around back of head. Neck gets cranked.
Relax bro, you’re not in and danger from that position, he can’t choke you and you have the superior position.
Just grab one of his elbows at the crease, hip out, and go for a standard armbar from guard. He’s basically setting himself up for it.
looking for a pic now…
the wizzer as I know it is when you have your arm wrapped over theirs and you are basically beside them and cranking down.
if they shoot a single and you sprawl to that side and slip your arm over their arm that is wrapped around your leg you could, I think, pry them down and away. I used to use it back in HS to set up a cross face into a scarf hold.
Ahhh… yes… armbar.
Appreciated. We’ve worked armbar against neck crank before, I just forgot I guess.
Also had a friend go with me last night, he says hes going to continue training. Dudes about 6’1" 200 or so, has experience in collegiate wrestling and a killer shoot.
Other than that, still pretty much just me, gene, and kirk.
http://www.ncwa.net/Multimedia/Press%20Box/gallery?gal=2&start=90
not enough time to look but this is a cool website.
I was speaking with Kirk yesterday on e-mail. He speaks real well of you Bro. I have my final interview with Edward Jones on Tuesday. I’m hoping to be out there in about 3 weeks.
Good to hear.
Sorry to say though, Ill be moving to minnesota in december for music school… Ill be back for probably about a month a year, but other than that Ill be stuck to advancing my training via video. 
No shuai chiao in MN.
Tito teaches the wizzer:
search the page for ‘wizzer’
http://sfuk.tripod.com/reviews/titoortizvideoseries.html
******, lots of references but no pictures
Originally posted by Meat Shake
[B]wizzer? Please explain.
WD - Im on my back with kirk in guard, his eblows on my chest and hands wrapped around back of head. Neck gets cranked.
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either arm bar or sweep him.
Originally posted by Meat Shake
Good to hear.
Sorry to say though, Ill be moving to minnesota in december for music school… Ill be back for probably about a month a year, but other than that Ill be stuck to advancing my training via video.
No shuai chiao in MN.
you can train capoeira with red5!
Originally posted by Meat Shake
Also had a friend go with me last night, he says hes going to continue training. Dudes about 6’1" 200 or so, has experience in collegiate wrestling and a killer shoot.
Other than that, still pretty much just me, gene, and kirk.
Who’s Rudy and Steve?
Rudy = Kirks Aikido practicing neighbor that comes on seldom occasion to class. Good guy, just the whole aikido thing… 
Ill give it to him though, hes hella hard to tap out.
Steve = 45 yr. old that recently started training with us. Also a good guy, but hurt his knee at legacy and will be out for a while. Hes just kinda observing from the side and calling out errors he sees for now.
“you can train capoeira with red5!”
Who knows, maybe r5 will want to learn some shuai chiao.
Im going to continue training, so chances are Im going to need to find people who want to learn how to throw peoples heads at the ground.
Oso- still no luck with a pic? Its ok… Ill look around and see what I can find.
nope
it’s basically an over hook applied from the side and intended to flatten your opponent.
in HS we were taught to use it sort of like a fake to get them to react with upward force as they try to keep there face off the mat.
if we could get them to bob up then he hit them w/ a cross face while turning into them for the take down and scarf hold.
Ahhh… I see.
The wrestler showed us an interesting way of turning out the knee if you are already caught, it sets you up really nicely for a crucifix.
Originally posted by Meat Shake
Ahhh… I see.
The wrestler showed us an interesting way of turning out the knee if you are already caught, it sets you up really nicely for a crucifix.
by grabbing the far arm and rolling accross their back?
or pulling it back to you?
Say he shoots for my right knee.
Pivot on right ankle outward, drop right knee to the ground, while pivoting, the left foot steps forward to be even with the attackers midsection.
At this point, the leg part of the crucifix is already set. Reach over his back and hook his arm, pull back and roll onto your back and thrust out your pelvis, locking his arms.
Originally posted by Meat Shake
Who knows, maybe r5 will want to learn some shuai chiao.
Im going to continue training, so chances are Im going to need to find people who want to learn how to throw peoples heads at the ground.
find a good judo group.