As to the request from the previous post, I have promised to get these up. I have just started with the beginning movements of the two forms and made the two video below to explain some combat applications. (it’s not all of it, but I just show some here because we are running out of time today).
[QUOTE=CYMac;1093606] As to the request from the previous post, I have promised to get these up. I have just started with the beginning movements of the two forms and made the two video below to explain some combat applications. (it’s not all of it, but I just show some here because we are running out of time today).
[QUOTE=Eric Olson;1093624]That’s a good application. However, I’m not seeing the right energy behind it.
I don’t think the Iron Wire form really has applications. It’s mostly a ging/jing training form.[/QUOTE]
What do you mean by “energy behind it”? Can you elaborate? I don’t get what you mean.
The Iron wire form does have combat application. If you even see older movie by Lau Ka Leung, he have also demonstrate a few moves with the iron fist in combat as well. Not a rare thing to see. I am not the “first” who say it is a combat form already… (I think maybe TienTiger can explain more of this becaues he is more professional on hung gar).
I’ll have to take a look when i’m at home. As far as i remember, there are applications for the iron wire set. I seem to recall Gordon Liu demonstrating it against Lau ga leung in Drunken Monkey.
[QUOTE=Brule;1093631]I’ll have to take a look when i’m at home. As far as i remember, there are applications for the iron wire set. I seem to recall Gordon Liu demonstrating it against Lau ga leung in Drunken Monkey.[/QUOTE]
Every form as applications, the iron wire not only develops whole body unity, structure and strength, but also develops specific structure and strength with specific moves that are core of the Hung Kuen fighting system.
Regardless of how these fools come at you wrong, you have more bawls then they can ever dream of having. good or bad, i give your respect for putting it out there.
I tend to not focus on the shortcomings of people’s forms they put up, cuse frankly, In my own system, there are so many differences and different people that I’d be wasting enormous time playing some sort of police force, and my system is firly rare. If I add hung gar, yang style, mantis, et al, I’d be online all day, and if I did that, who else could carry on the doo wai fly ressurections like I do?
[QUOTE=KC Elbows;1093667]I tend to not focus on the shortcomings of people’s forms they put up, cuse frankly, In my own system, there are so many differences and different people that I’d be wasting enormous time playing some sort of police force, and my system is firly rare. If I add hung gar, yang style, mantis, et al, I’d be online all day, and if I did that, who else could carry on the doo wai fly ressurections like I do?[/QUOTE]
Fair enough and the reason I ask about his lineage is that he breaks a few “rules” from mine, or at least appears to.
EX:
In the HK I was taught, a “rule of thumb” was that you go IN on a hook and go OUT on a straight.
Your outside shoulder are the perimeter of a “box” and anything the comes inside them you go out and anything that comes from the outside, you go in.
( and yes, no rules are set in stone).
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1093671]Fair enough and the reason I ask about his lineage is that he breaks a few “rules” from mine, or at least appears to.
EX:
In the HK I was taught, a “rule of thumb” was that you go IN on a hook and go OUT on a straight.
Your outside shoulder are the perimeter of a “box” and anything the comes inside them you go out and anything that comes from the outside, you go in.
( and yes, no rules are set in stone).[/QUOTE]
I wasn’t criticizing your comments, you were merely asking questions. I mostly was bantering. My view is I don’t have a big concern with who changes what or doesn’t get what. At some level, in the long run, it could all end up being creatures with sensory bundles on their face to feel changes in air pressure laughing at all the creatures using their eyes all wrong. Just because things started at point A doesn’t mean point B may not lead to something useful in the long run.
This is what my Taoverse Deity tells me, when he lays off of the pron.
wait until he does some bull**** choy lay fut video and watch Frank get all psycho
I don’t get psycho over someone’s elses abilities. whether this guy is good or not, he had enough confidence in himself to post something, show his face and what not while there are so many other fake arse people who talk smack behind their computers.
Now you NEVER heard me say i thought he was great, good, or even terrible. i don’t comment on people’s skills unless they start claiming that they can wreck anyone or anything that comes their way.
The dirty truth is that I’ve seen crappy made up stuff whose people could beat up people doing legitimate stuff that they didn’t train for anything but form and the right to say they were the real deal.
Indeed, Tiet Sien Kuen has combative applications.
Nothing is simply,“just such and such..” It’s knowing how to apply the movements.
Although I may not agree with all of your applications, on the whole, it shows thinking outside of the box, which is how we evolve our personal Gung-Fu.
I agree with HSK-you show more bawlz than most just for putting it out there, good or bad.
In fiarness, it’s a weird internetism that putting up form footage is all that brave. I’ve shown form footage before, it’s not a proof of anything, and the only thing one has to endure is people who don’t like your form.
Putting up usage footage that is realistic should be our minimum standard, for ourselves. As for sitting in judgment, I just don’t see the point.
Is showing balls meritorious? Or is it just showing balls?
These videos aren’t very choice mnemonic devices for the arts they are claiming to look at. I would say they are ok for him to look at in a progress way. But to put out as instructional? Demonstrative of the style?
They are demonstrative of CYMac and his level of understanding of the martial arts he is trying to depict.
They don’t show much else.
Showing ones balls can be an exercise in obnoxiousness as well. Not saying it is in this case, I just think that the merit of having balls or courage if you like is not applicable here.
There is no courage in performing with mediocrity in an uploaded youtube video.
As to the request from the previous post, I have promised to get these up. I have just started with the beginning movements of the two forms and made the two video below to explain some combat applications. (it’s not all of it, but I just show some here because we are running out of time today).