Vagabond teaches a class? OMG!
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http://www.youtube.com/w/end-of-class?v=Eqlcwtt-88E&search=shaolin
I can’t believe it…I think i seen this exercise done in Shaolin Temple movie with Jet Li.
But this…this just doesn’t look right at all.
Way too many blows to the head for me, eh?
Lokhopkuen: I thought we had that flair discussion at Berkeley when I met your younger son, but I couldn’t remember when that was. You’d think I could have done the math and figured that was your older son. Math was never my forte. Anyway, that video posted earlier did seem to have a wushu flair in it’s execution. Did you jazz it up or is that how you’ve always played it? Who, or whom, did you learn it from? Just curious. I don’t mean to denigrate it all. On the contrary, your kid looks pretty dang good at it. If I was still competing with that form, I’d lift all those moves. 
iron_silk: That’s not the same sequence from Shaolin Temple (the film). If you’ll remember, that sequence has a stomp, among other things. Shi Guolin teaches that sequence, but he adds this crazy contortive twist to it that makes it really difficult - his version seems much closer to true Shaolin. No, that sequence is straight out of Lam Kwoon. Three punches and a kick, we used to call it. It may have been on the intro Shaolin video - I cant’ remember. I added a variation to it by squeezing in a twist stance, block and punch in between each repetition. It was a great sequence to work the legs. I’m not sure if many Lam Kwoon instructors used it after me because it could take a lot of toll on your knees if done incorrectly, and I know at least one of my sucessors had knee issues. It’s more evidence that Shaolin Vagabond is a rogue descendant of Lam Kwoon.
Thanks for response.
Yeah I know about he stomp but I just figured…you know…he ain’t 100%.
I know what you mean about the twist I do something similar if I wanted a quickie work out of the body and too lazy to do my usual.
Gene;
No actually it is pretty close to the way I learned it filtered through a 17 year old who had not practiced anything in a while but had been pracfticing daily, reluctantly since 8 years old.(take that dad, teach me gung fu will ya.) showing up to Master Ken Edwards Eagle Claw tourney as a favor for poor ole dad…
He took the Jr GC and there was no room on the way home in the car for my wife, baby son, the winner and his massive ego and yea me dad. Ah kids.
Anyway
I imagine my gung fu is poor compared to the effortless expertise of my teacher but I have attempted to retain the various essences he has had the patience to pass on to my classmates and I.
Did I answer your question???
Peace
That’s interesting…
…I’ve seen some Mainland China BSL that had a wushu flavor. At the time, I just wrote it off to so many forms getting wushu-ized. But perhaps it’s just the nature of some BSL lineages.
Three punches and a kick is on the (Introducion to shaolin kung fu) tape from Wing Lam Sifu also…<—just for info 
One of the drills I teach to my class, was given to me by Lokhopkuen years ago… He said that Master Hui liked it for demos… … I would put it here! But I feel it’s not my place to do so… Plus after all this time I may have alterd it a little by now…
~Jason
Which one Fen? Post it please 'cause I done forgot!
Caucasian guy in a Ching Dynasty era get-up doing a kung fu form
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDdVI4A_hik
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yeah i know. I’ve seen his clips all over the place for years. Hes absolutely awful. What a freak too. I always try to make a comment for any of his ‘students’ telling them to get out asap. Somehow i don’t think it works though. There all too content living in a fantasy land.
Xia Xia Xia…
it is obviously a demonstration form and not a performance one…give a guy a break..the moves are there ..but the" hairdoo" and the outfit …LMAO!!!
dude you obviously have issues with caucasians… I am cock-asian!!
This guy is garbage if he is a sifu. I don’t do N. Shaolin and I can see it isn’t right. It looks like he learned it from a book or something. I could be wrong.
I’ve seen plenty of bad kung fu. That’s nothing new. What struck me about this particular case is this guy’s look. It would be funny to see people’s reactions as he walked through a Chinatown.
[QUOTE=Flying-Monkey;709375]This guy is garbage if he is a sifu.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, he is a sifu…
I wonder who would go to someone that looked like that. I can see laymen getting fooled by B.S. martial arts but this guys look should chase away anyone with an ounce of sanity.
He is probably one of those guys who learns from a video on Friday and teaches on Saturday.
If I was him, I would tell my students to call me Sihing (not sifu)and charge less. This is because of the fact that I would be still learning. And if I get ranked by Wing Lam or other video learning system, I would change my title to sifu.
Boo Manchu.
I’ve commented on some of this guy’s videos.
Not only is he a beginner, he clearly learned those sets from my teacher’s bak siu lum video tapes. He mimics some of the idiosyncracies found in those tapes. I wonder if brother Gene would come to the same conclusion.
A person of this skill who learned from videos… teaching? I’m offended for my school, the bak siu lum system, and martial arts as a whole. We don’t need more poseur “masters” giving everyone a bad name. :mad:
Which brings up a point I’ve been thinking about. Several of my past teachers have sold instructional videos. I have heard stories of people learning from the videos, then claiming to have learned from the teacher who put out the video. Of course this makes my teachers angry. Technically the video students who do this are lying, but maybe they feel okay about it since the teacher made the video that they learned from. Anyhow, if this is a real quality control concern to the teacher, why not stop producing the videos? My teachers say they invest too much money to do that, and who am I to argue? It’s thier decision.
I guess it’s a matter of priorities. Still, when you put out instructional videos, aren’t you pretty much saying “You can learn from this video?” I mean, an ethical teacher wouldn’t sell an instructional video that he felt people couldn’t learn from, right? And if you are going there, then why is it unreasonable to assume that if the video student has “learned it” that he can’t “teach it?”
Just playing devil’s advocate, but I think these are REALLY important questions nonetheless.
I’m not sure. I’ve only ever used videos for information and review, never as a replacement for a teacher.
It may be possible for a person to learn kung fu from a video, but he’s at a disadvantage no matter how you look at it. It would be hard to do, if it can be done, and would require a great amount of self-assessment and honesty to develop the skills to a high level. Maybe he got as far as he could with the video and thought he was good enough to teach. Judging by his performance, he’s not really qualified to make that judgment.
When I worked at my sifu’s store, people would call in to ask if learning from the videos enabled them to teach the material as part of the lineage. The answer I was told to give was a firm “no.” The reasoning was that, since even actual students must recieve permission from our sifu to teach what they’ve learned, why should video students be given free license? There would be no quality control and, considering the particularly difficult medium, video students already have almost none.
Now, what bothers me personally here is that my sifu asked me to coach the kids’ class at his school after I spent a few years learning. He knew me, he and my older brothers taught me, and he knew my level of understanding well enough to judge whether he could rely on me to teach the basics. So even though I learned from the teacher of the school, I needed his permission before teaching what I’d learned. A video student, who only has some footage of a teacher to follow - and whose skills my sifu was not familiar with and could not trust - gets to teach without any sort of approval, just because he felt he was good enough?
One needs permission if their intention is to teach as part of a lineage or school.
hey ravenshaw, in wing lams version of the set does it have those side steps and use the pound mortar back fist instead of swing hammer fist?
I learned the set differently from what’s shown there.
also, any of you guys ever seen yang jwing mings version of this set, it’s completely different.
no comment on the vid other than ive seen worse and ive seen better.
From YouTube:
This is a very basic form performed by my Sifu Glen Bullock. … (more) (less)
It looks like he is trying to choreagraph his moves to the drum.