The thing that bothers me, is the head instructor calles herself a “Sifu” They have Chinese"ish" uniforms (With japanese belts :rolleyes: ), but they teach ka-ju-ken-bo, which is Karate-judo-kenpo-boxing. NOWHERE in kajukenbo, is there anything Chinese. Except for Boxing which is Western, it’s all Japanese styles.
So where does the Chinese"ish" uniforms (with Japanese belt systems :rolleyes: ), and the Chinese term “Sifu” , and Kung Fu, (a CHINESE term as well), and even the use of “Seven Star” (imitateing a VERY famous Chinese art) come into play here?
It does not appear from thier web site that they teach Chinese Seven Star Kung Fu in anyway, shape or form. In fact, other than being hokey, and imitateing authentic Kung Fu schools with some titles, and uniform etc… they apear to be a totally unrelated kajukenbo school.
The whole things is decptive, and misleading if you ask me.
One more thing, from thier website
Kajukenbo is an eclectic martial art derived from aspects of karate, judo, jujitsu, kenpo and kung fu.
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It seems thier own understanding of what Kajukenbo is, is wrong. It’s not Kung Fu, it’s Western boxing. The “Bo” in KajukenBo is for Boxing. Other wise it would have been named KajukenFu or KajukenKu or some other varient derived from the words Kung, and Fu
How can they be legit, if they got the composition of thier own style WRONG!
Well the kempo supposedly is from China via the Okinawan temples. Chow or somebody supposedly was Chinese and had MA from his family or went back to a temple as well.
Who knows. Figuring out that stuff is pretty hard. Daniel K. Pai (Pai Lum) supposedly teaches (taught) Chinese styles and he was in Hawaii as well.
Ed Parker supposedly trained with Daniel K. Pai because Pai was an employee on their ranch.
It is very difficult to define “kung Fu” in terms of what is and what isn’t. I have read many places that is means “diligent effort” or “hard Work”. I can go along with that. Different styles look different, they train different, they criticize each other as not being “real Kung Fu”. I read a huge p _ _ _ _ _ _ contest in some Ying Jao Pai material where masters were accusing each other of learning their Eagle Claw from tapes.
Some styles ridicule animal styles. There are many debates as to whose style is best. The MMA people say we dance real pretty, but can’t fight. Traditional styles say that modern styles such as Shorin Kung Fu is not true Kung Fu and the list goes on and on.
Most people wouldn’t have a problem with the title of Seven Star Eclectic Martial Arts, as long as the women were being taught effective self defense against Neanderthals. It is hard for me to judge anything by one short clip and one student. I personally don’t have a problem with the term Kung Fu being applied, if some of the system is drawn from TCMA.
Also, Seven Star, has been a valued member of these forums for a long time. I would just ask this rhetorical question. Seven Star owes me no reply. I would hate to think that any young lady, or guy for that matter, would believe she can defend herself just by learning forms. Are realistic combat applications of these forms being practiced against resisting opponents?
Just my half cent worth.
Seven Star must have been making a joke, because before mention was made of being at the Steven Seagal concert with Gene in the Bay Area.
Kempo/Kenpo is not Chinese. It’s Japanese.
If you want to argue, then technically it’s all form China at some point, and even Karate is Kung Fu.
[QUOTE=Royal Dragon;703368]Kempo/Kenpo is not Chinese. It’s Japanese.
If you want to argue, then technically it’s all form China at some point, and even Karate is Kung Fu.[/QUOTE]
Well, if you look at the history there were Chinese temples in Okinawa.
Karate isn’t Japanese at all, it was brought from Okinawa in the last 100 years.
If you look at the histories of Okinawan Kenpo, then often they are pretty pure Fujian styles that are practiced in Okinawa, bit like Kuntao is the Indonesian name for Kung Fu.
I seem to remember from somewhere that the Bo in Kajukenbo is Chinese BOxing.
Oh yeah, and if one of my students looked like that after 2 years I’d jack it in 
Actually Ben, 
Kun Tao is the indonesian form of “fist method” which in Chinese is “Chuan Fa”.
Kungfu is a much broader and less specific term. But yeah, kuntao is the indo equivalent of kungfu, just not in the transliteration sense.
[QUOTE=Ben Gash;703381]I seem to remember from somewhere that the Bo in Kajukenbo is Chinese BOxing.[/QUOTE]
That’s my understanding also.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;703385]Actually Ben, Kun Tao is the indonesian form of “fist method” which in Chinese is “Chuan Fa”.[/QUOTE]
Which in Japanese is “Ken Po”.
This is what I understand as well. From what little I have seen in person of Kajukenbo, it struck me as a hodge-podge of various arts… including some form of Kung Fu (Chinese Boxing).
[QUOTE=EarthDragon;703114]LOLOLOL sevenstar? pleae tell me that is not your school… OMG
WOW and people wonder why kung fu has a bad name in some cities.
The funny thing was that her moves looked more like hand to hand combat from taekwondo than karate, she wore a chinese frog button uniform with a japanese cotton obi but then called it a form??? WTF? problem is this is what a lot of people are learnig and beging taught . This is why there needs to be an orginization to control who teaches and is allowed to open a school.[/QUOTE]
yet that woman is undefeated in local mma…
regardless, we are considering adding cooking classes to the curriculum, speifically japanese and fillipino dishes.
[QUOTE=lunghushan;703364]Seven Star must have been making a joke, because before mention was made of being at the Steven Seagal concert with Gene in the Bay Area.[/QUOTE]
I never said I was in the bay area - I said I saw seagal when he came to my city. Gene saw him before I did.
As for regulation, it can happen, but not on a cross style scale. Judo is a perfect example. They have standardization down to a fine art. what you learn at which stages, requirements for belts, coaching certs, etc. However, that still will not dictate the quality of the students that each club will produce, which would still be seen as a problem. Knowledge-wise, they will be on the same level, but not fighting caliber.
[QUOTE=SevenStar;703608]yet that woman is undefeated in local mma…
regardless, we are considering adding cooking classes to the curriculum, speifically japanese and fillipino dishes.[/QUOTE]
What local MMA? There is no local MMA.
Japanese and Filipino dishes will help in fighting. You can always throw them at people.
local smokers. there are plenty.
The point of the cooking is because this is what the women are asking for. You have to keep in mind that not all people who train MA train solely for fighting. Hell, most of the people on this board will admit they train for other reasons.
[QUOTE=SevenStar;703616]local smokers. there are plenty.
The point of the cooking is because this is what the women are asking for. You have to keep in mind that not all people who train MA train solely for fighting. Hell, most of the people on this board will admit they train for other reasons.[/QUOTE]
There’s some MMA up in some reservation around Everett or something and some MMA down in some other reservation by Olympia or something, but what is there around Seattle?
I still can’t believe you really are at this school. I thought you said you were a bouncer or had a club or something.
Why the women only emphasis, then? That makes no sense.
[QUOTE=SevenStar;703616]local smokers. there are plenty.[/QUOTE]
What does that mean? Just wondering.
[QUOTE=Donkwoon;703618]What does that mean? Just wondering.[/QUOTE]
I think the phrase comes from ‘smoking out’ the people who suck.
(That came out badly … but you get the idea … eliminating the people who stink).