You can tell this guy who got kod learned muay thai from watching kickboxer like ralek learned muay thai from playing street fighter.
http://www.mma.tv/TUF/index.cfm?ac=ListMessages&PID=1&TID=368544&FID=23&p=23
His hands were a little high, but high hands are used for various reasons - when you parry their hands downward, it leaves a greater opening. The clip was short, but it looks like he was inexperienced. He’s got the “locomotive jab” - his hand lowers as it returns to his face. I don’t think he was jabbing when he got hit though - he looked like he was trying to sweep the kick - he just didn’t know that it was coming high.
It looks like he put his arm down to block cuz he thought the kick was going to be a low kick.
Yeah, that can be a really good technique if you catch the leg and then throw a right hand, it can end the fight, but so can a head high kick
If putting your hands up like that was effective than pro boxers would be doing it too. Don’t forget everything Muay thai has regarding punches they stole from boxing, because boxing has superior punches. And they judge their punches according to boxing. If you could parry hits like that why don’t you see bocers on espn doing it?
because boxers don’t have to scoop kicks. I agree that boxing has superior punching - that’s why many thai boxers have incorporated it - but that doesn’t mean that the hands high stance doesn’t have it’s uses.
And no, they didn’t “steal” everything about their punching from boxing. Thai boxing’s straight punches travel at a downward trajectory - another reason for the high hands.
what are scoop kicks? You mean teep kicks? Considering that those are aimed at the body what does that have to do with hand positioning?
I didn’t say they don’t DO scoop kicks. I said they don’t scoop kicks.
Scooping a kick is merely catching the kick, lifting their leg upward/forward, upward/outside, etc. that kills their balance for long enough instance for you to counter. It’s a tactic used against the teep.
Considering that those are aimed at the body what does that have to do with hand positioning?
I would think this would be obvious for a guy who has so much to say about boxing and MT. How about in boxing the main target is the head and upper body (since you can’t hit below the belt) so you keep your hands high to maximize coverage. In MT, they not only punch, but kick and alot of their kicks and even punches can be lower, so you have to chose a middle ground, hence your guard might be a touch lower.
It looked to me like the KOd guy was trying to throw another jab and the kicking guy timed it just right. Ouch.
looks like he tried to block the kick and missed, leaving him open for a connect square to the jaw. Props to him for trying to get back in though!
Originally posted by Judge Pen
It looked to me like the KOd guy was trying to throw another jab and the kicking guy timed it just right. Ouch.
I don’t think so - watch his arm - it goes straight down, it didn’t go out and then down, like his jab did. I think he intended to block or catch the kick - he zigged when he shoulda zagged.
However, if he was blocking, it seems like he would’ve lifted his leg, unless he hasn’t broken the habit some have of using the arms to block a low kick.
Originally posted by SevenStar
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I don’t think so - watch his arm - it goes straight down, it didn’t go out and then down, like his jab did. I think he intended to block or catch the kick - he zigged when he shoulda zagged. [/B]
You may be right, but I think the guy kicking was aware that he was dropping his guard when jabbing (or trying to scoop his kicks) and was trying to time his kick accordingly. Whether he was blocking or jabbing, he had his clocked cleaned.
This clip is the reason why I try to lift my leg to block low kicks. Even tong po lifted his legs to block low kicks!
Yeah, I think he was timing it too. that was a “bad habit” I picked up while I was in longfist - using the arm to block. When I went back to MT, I took several headshots from that.
Originally posted by red5angel
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I would think this would be obvious for a guy who has so much to say about boxing and MT. How about in boxing the main target is the head and upper body (since you can’t hit below the belt) so you keep your hands high to maximize coverage. In MT, they not only punch, but kick and alot of their kicks and even punches can be lower, so you have to chose a middle ground, hence your guard might be a touch lower. [/B]
No actually boxers hold their hands alot lower. ANd especially lower than that guy who got kod.
Originally posted by SevenStar
Yeah, I think he was timing it too. that was a “bad habit” I picked up while I was in longfist - using the arm to block. When I went back to MT, I took several headshots from that.
Did they teach that in your longfist class or was it just a bad habit that they failed to correct?
I really shouldn’t feed the troll, but I’m bored and stuck on my article, so I’m going to have some fun.
I was always taught that the high hands were for elbow defences and to make it easier to grapple. It all depends on the coach’s style-- some coaches favor the striking more and less of the clinch work and vice versa.
If you want to see improbable boxing guards that worked devistatingly well, check out Thomas Hearns’ fights or Archie Moore. Dempsey also had a very unorthodox guard, as did Ken Norton and Rocky Marciano.
It’s all about making the style work for you, anyway.
Originally posted by Judge Pen
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Did they teach that in your longfist class or was it just a bad habit that they failed to correct? [/B]
nah, they taught it. I had done two years of muay thai before going to longfist. They (longfist) taught low blocks and also catching kicks. Before muayt thai, I had been training karate for several years. So, I started out low blocking and leg blocking, then started leg blocking, then had to go back to low blocking, only to have myself go back to leg blocking, which I prefer anyway. From here on out, I’m sticking with leg blocks.