red5angel

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A Student is a Reflection of His Teacher

r5a:

No matter how much you say you speak for yourself, or that your opinions are your own, you are still a reflection of your teacher. If you abandon “wude” as archaic, then it reflects badly on you; and by extesion, your Sifu. While most of us are willing to write you off as an individual loose canon, there are probably those out there less forgiving who will assume that your Sifu has instilled this attitude in you (trust me, we see it all the time). It is just like in grade school, where some kid misbehaves; you assume they have no “home training.”

So since you respect your teacher so much, you should do him a favor and temper your writing style.

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r5a

Stop the madness…you have some good posts but you need to do one thing check your ego/C D woody at the door.

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Wu Sei - I didnt start this thread someone else did!

RR - Yep, I have heard the quote, its a good one, and who knows may be found to be applicable at some point.
I get your remarks on a work in progress, if you are talking about the level of the students? In that case that is usually easy to tell. For instance, the last class I checked out, the students had only been there for a few weeks. You can extrapolate only a little information from this, for instance if they seem to be picking it up, it might be an indication that the instructor is good. It could also mean the students are good!
If this person took me apart but wasnt in wingchun, then the questions for which they posed (By beating me so thoroughly)would have to be addressed from a wingchun point of view.
Also if they do then that is great. For instance you obviously highly regard who and what you are learning and I have much respect for that. If you are happy where you are then so be it, you always state the way I post may bother you but the content isnt always bad. I think that instead of trying to fix me maybe some should try your approach :wink:

Aelward - I will tel you what, without comprimising my feelings on WC I will see what I can do about making my post more freindly so people are more receptive, BUT, if they continue to fall into the realm of hijacked threads then I will say it how I want to ok? I can be amicable and sometimes even reasonable. I thought the Chi Sau thread was going alright, atleast for a while anyway…some of my other threads have been pretty good for a while but then it turns to “Awe red, why do you love so and so so much” OR “Red why dont you do this or that”. So its a deal ok? I will see what I can do about appeasing some of the WC family here on the Forum for a while. :slight_smile:

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“I will see what I can do about appeasing some of
the WC family here on the Forum for a while.”

What!..Do you mean you consider as family all those idiots who do bad Wing Chun?..I mean the rest of the world? (all of us of course!)…And you will see what you can do to appease us?..What will you do? throw us a bone?..
You are going a little bit too far for my tastes!

Please don’t serve me that line about “If I have a problem or an issue about it ,there is probably a good reason” thing!..I am not an idiot!

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Old Jong, I think you got the wrong idea. I told Aelward I am willing to try to play a little more nice without having to go against the way I feel.
As I stated before some of the people who do bad wingchun (I have named no name, if you want to point fingers be my guest) are just mislead or misguided
If you do get upset then there are only a few things going on, 1.)You assume I am talking about you. 2.) You are someone I am talking about and know it 3.) Dont have anything better to do then debate on the internet. :wink:

Either way, this discussion stops here as far as I am concerned, I am on here to discuss Wing Chun. I practice wing chun but do not deserve an entire thread devoted to me (Actually this would be the second!) I say we talk about wingchun ok?

Actually Old Jong you have always struck me as a pretty intelligent person, so I would never or have never implied you are an idiot.

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“Actually Old Jong you have always struck me as a pretty intelligent person, so I would never or have never implied you are an idiot.”
Why are you trying flattery on me when you just written:“If you do get upset then there are only a few things going on, 1.)You assume I am talking about you. 2.) You are someone I am talking about and know it 3.) Dont have anything better to do then debate on the internet.”!..
My guess would be that you consider me an idiot to the point of suggesting me correct answers!..Besides you again tried that manipulation technique on me!

" I practice wing chun but do not deserve an entire thread devoted to me"!..
What can I say about that?..Are we talking about your practicing or your typing?..

“as I am concerned, I am on here to discuss Wing Chun”
Great!..talk about what you CAN do.I REPEAT "what you ,not talking about Carl but,what YOU can do, and stop preaching like you we’re the new Wing Chun messiah or something!

“Either way, this discussion stops here”
No problems with me if you show just a little respect for the rest of the guys here who are for the most your seniors in Wing Chun.

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Endless Prattle

Originally posted by red5angel

As I stated before some of the people who do bad wingchun (I have named no name, if you want to point fingers be my guest) are just mislead or misguided

Hi R5A,

I wouldn’t have joined this thread if you hadn’t once again put your foot in my mouth. Pardon me while I gag. :frowning:

Your allegations about bad Wing Chun by implication smear everybody else’s schools. You didn’t invent this rhetorical tactic. It is very common in politics and journalism.

It is not your Sigung’s contention that everyone else sucks, so stop repeating and prattling on and on about it.

BTW, when you point your finger, three fingers are pointing back at you. :slight_smile:

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Grendel, I am not sure I understand what you are saying. By saying alot of wing chun sucks I am just stating how I feel. ITs how I feel. I havent pointed any fingers at anybody specific. I dont realy know most of these people personally. I think the problem mostly is interpretation really.
I apologize if you feel I have stepped on your toes, it wasnt my intention. I have explained this many times to many other posters as well, trying to get people to understand my point but it keeps getting drug back up and flailed at some more.

Really I dont understand why everyone has to assume I am talking about them? I am talking in general, I cant control how it is being interpreted.

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Originally posted by wujidude
[B]is this thread KFO, or is it a discussion in the mental hospital where Old Jong works?

It truly is reminding me of dialogue from “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest.”

Old Wujidude [/B]

It’s more like Yossarian’s complaints to Major Major regarding Milo Minderbinder’s business ethics in “Catch 22.” :slight_smile:

Obviously, if we want the endless amateur marketing of Carl’s boy to stop, we have to shut up, but if we shut up, it continues on and on to infinity, hence, Catch-22. :slight_smile:

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Really I dont understand why everyone has to assume I am talking about them?

Because…

By saying alot of wing chun sucks I am just stating how I feel.

You usually preface this with most, all WC that you have observed or some other word or words that implies most of us out here.

Whe you say intrepretation do you mean intrepretation of your words or differences in intrepretation of Wing Chun.

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As the World Turns…and so does the Days of Our Lives

Change the Channel!! This soap opera is getting boring, we want more kung fu action and less drama!!!:mad:

All of you shut up! I’m watching my stories :smiley:

Red5
The only way you can back up your claims of crappy wing chun is by touching hands with everyone on this forum. Until then, cool it with your broad generaliztions. The only thing it helps to do is appease your own fears and doubts about the crappiness of your own wing chun. Why do you keep searching if you have found the one?

To those who thinks Red5 is full of Sh*t, PM him with a time and place and lets get this little drama over with. :confused:

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I am not talking about specific people, just wing chun practitioners in general

So rather than pi$$ing off individuals, you end up pi$$ing off everybody. Did Carl teach you that “strategy”?

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Hi Rene.

Originally posted by reneritchie
[B]Just a couple points:

Minor stuff, but I think KJ (who studies directly with Chung sifu?)
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Yes, Ken is my teacher directly.

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would be red’s kung-fu aunt (junior, if she began after red’s sifu),
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That is correct. Carl started with Ken earlier than I did.

[B]

while David would be his “cousin” (still Sihing to be polite) as I believe he studies under red’s sibak, Ben Der.
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I believe David is now officially in Ken’s class also.

I fully anticipate that David retains strong ties with Ben, who is the most senior of all Ken’s students. For that matter, Ben is beloved amongst virtually all of us who know him. Above and beyond his skill, he is an exceptional man of exceptional character. He’s a ton of fun to boot. :slight_smile:

[B]

Usually, when a senior in your own lineage takes the trouble to offer you their experience and insight, especially on a topic of such immense importance as Mo Duk (Wude, Martial Morality), it’s worth its weight in gold. (red, if you think “real” Wing Chun is dying, “real” Mo Duk is almost extinct and for the very reasons you use to explain/excuse your behavior).
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I have seen many others try to be of service to him, in this and other venues. Various tacts and methods of reasoning have been to no avail. He has made it politely, repeatedly and abundantly clear to numerous of Ken’s direct students, other Leung Sheung family-group practitioners, as well as the majority of this forum’s members, that their thoughts, feelings and opinions are not his concern. He has thus far rejected every offer of experiential wisdom, regardless of source. In a polite albeit round-about way, and in many cases by simply ignoring people, it is MHO that he has consistently invited anyone offering guidance or insight to pi$$ off.

In that light, I think it best to leave Red to tend his own drama and enjoy the consequences.

Regards,

  • Kathy Jo
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unpleasant stuff, guys.

Keep in mind that everyone has something to teach us, it’s just a matter of when.

(cough… and if a couple of “corrections” need to be distributed along the way, then so be it…cough… KJ you go girl, WAH-BAM!!!..cough…)
-BP-

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“is this thread KFO, or is it a discussion in the mental hospital where Old Jong works?”…Wujidude.

Not exactly but some patterns are similar in some ways! He is obviously very intelligent and can be manipulative by attempting to create doupts and turning the subject around…" You would not feel insulted if this was not true " (paraphrasing)He also adopt a “superior” position…“I know where you come from " why not email me so we can discuss” (Again paraphrasing) You are now the humble disciple asking for advices from a BEGINNER!
Believe me ,I have seen this kind of patterns for 25 years!
Now, I work in collaboration with psychiatrists ,psychologists,nurses and even the janitor and we can sometimes pierce complicated and puzzling behaviors but the patient has to help a little bit!
BTW, I’m not saying there that red5angel is a nutcase!..Many perfectly normal people use those kind of strategies to get attention or fill some holes in their self-esteem.
Now back to Siu Lim Tao…

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Whippinghand got banned

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Alot of people are wasting alot of time and bandwidth begging and telling a misguided young wingchunner for respect and humility.

Slo mo had the best idea.

Why should so many care if a random “7-8 month” practicioner calls everyone else crappy? If its not true then why waste breath? (or in this case finger movement?.)

red5 is a cool dood.

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REDANGEL<

All you have to do in your posts is remove Carl, Ken and LS’s name and things would be fine. And take out those " come see for yourself" and " authentic" and “real”

Yes you are a nice guy with the right intentions but you’re going about it all wrong.

Just lead my example and people will come. Dont say " hey , that aint wing chun, go get your money back"

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He is obviously very intelligent

I’m not saying there that red5angel is a nutcase!

Opinions might vary here!

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Originally posted by yenhoi
Alot of people are wasting alot of time and bandwidth begging and telling a misguided young wingchunner for respect and humility.

Looks to me like they are having some fun with him for messing with everybody else. That seems fair.

I agree that ignoring him is the best way to get him to shut himself up though. If he thinks he’s irritating people he’ll just keep going. I don’t think he’s any cool dood. Looks like he has some kind of a problem and he wastes too much time messing with people.