Ok i becomed quite interested in Wing Chun again after hearing someone else mention Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun, my limited knowledge of Chinese translates this to Red Boat style? Then stumbled over to VT Museum found that style and Chi Sim(Abbot Jee Shim’s style) Wing Chun. I then found myself at WingChunKuen.com and found the mother load so to speak with about 20 of them. Some i’ve seem before like Pan Nam(Foshan or Shaolin) and Fut Sao(Buddha Hand) styles but i thought the were extremely rare. Not so, i found a Fut Sao school right here in NYC with NeiGung excercises(wtf??) and a weird form that seems to work like the Bagua circle walk(?) All this info is out there but most people seem to think that Yip Man is the unquestioned GM of Wing Chun. It seems when everyone talks about Wing Chun its Yip Man’s style when all the other styles have there own flavor to it. I’m definitely not saying its anyone here, your all quite knowledgeable and way more so than me. I guess the real point of this post besides all the rambling is to ask how many people on this board study some of the less known styles of Wing Chun and could you give some info on it? Try to give as much detail as possible and you can even compare and contrast with the Yip Man style that we all know and love. Even if you dont practice it just post.
Hi,
I practice Sum Nung (Yuen Kay-San) Wing Chun (http://www.wingchunkuen.com/sumnung). You can also find this system in NYC (I think my sibak, Leung Dai-Chiu, may even start teaching again in China town eventually).
BTW- I think the characters they use for Hung Fa Yi translate as Red Flower Righteous.
Rgds,
RR
beauty is always cruel
hey guys,
well the rarest wc ive learned was the pan nam family…very nice system…i only learned the first 2 forms and the jong…there is a nice hei gong set ive always wanted to learn…i also really,really want to learn the hei gong in the yks/sn family…hey ren…help a brother out,…lol:D …
i learned the basics of hfy wc..i mean basics…it is a very deep,rich system that takes alot of dedication to truly understand it…and my path currenly leads somewhere else…
other than that ive activly studied and learned the leung sheung and sunny tang families…i also learned the first 2 forms of the william cheung family:( no jong though…
I’ve just started learning Fut Sao. There’s a guy on here who knows more about the system than I do, and goes by the handle of “Sam”. Nice Guy. Be warned, our lineage is kind of a mystery/grey area and when it’s discussed it seems to ignite a very heated debate. That said, I have no doubt in the abilities of my brothers and betters-- I’ve heard nothing but good things about Leung sifu and Cama sifu.
Hey Rene,
I’ve got a question I’d like to ask you off the forum, if you don’t mind?
there is no cruelty without the beast
hey limerick,
i have heard great things about sifu henry leung…i here his medical skills are very great as well…my second sifu was a certified sifu under sifu leung before he(my sifu) changed systems..but had only great things to say about him(sifu leung)…
what do you mean it ignites a serious debate??whats the debate??
hey byond,
Just check back a few months to the thread “Fut Sao Wing Chun?”. It’s not a mean-spirited debate, per se, but there’s a lot of confusion regarding the lineage of the style. To be honest, it’s not a subject I bring up with my teacher a whole lot, but all I know is that I can trace myself back to Sifu Leung. I don’t know much about it further back than that (there’s a lot of stories floating around, but I haven’t gotten the “official” word yet, so to speak) and I think that’s what a lot of people have taken issue with.
But, like I said, just check the archieves for “Fut Sao”.
The Hawaii Wing Chun that I practice through the Wong Long-Robert Yeung lineage is different from alot of the other guys. Its not rare, its still the Yip Man Lineage, but it has a more aggressive twist.
Tongue of Colibob
Years ago I visited Yeung Sifu’s class in Honolu and have communicated with Vigillo sifu. Each school has its own particular character. Yours is well within the Yip man wing chun circle.
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Rgds,
RR
Hi Leonidas
My original Style of WC was a Mainland Style which came from Leung Chun (the younger brother of Leung Bik).
Having said this however it seems there is little or no evidence to support this lineage although i do have a “complete” family tree right through to when it arrived in Australia in the late 70’s.
Hope this helps
Glenn
would you care to elaborate
“Its not rare, its still the Yip Man Lineage, but it has a more aggressive twist.”
how is it more agressive ?
I have yet to stumble on a WC branch which advocate defence instead of offense. And they all seem to share the desire to pound your opponent to a pulp in least amount of time.
Originally posted by reneritchie
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Thanks Rene.
Got a bunch of papers and a portfolio review today, so I’ll send you an email sometime tonight.
jesper sez
I have yet to stumble on a WC branch which advocate defence instead of offense.
Really? IMO- you have to learn good defense first in order for your offense to flow. I do not mean that you will always defend
but you need those reflexes. You dont want your attacks to be sloppy.
Leonidas,
I have the fortune of learning the Yip Man system, the Yuen Kay San system, and the Gu Lao system from my Sifu. I enjoy each one differently and they all have something to offer. I’m no expert by any means but they have all enriched my training. I explore them all separately and as part of a whole, depending upon my mood and what lightbulbs go off in my head that particular day. I am constantly discovering new things.
More important than the system, though, is the Sifu. Find a good Sifu and he will help guide you on your path.
Dzu
Dzu - Cool! I salute your dedication!
(BTW- Salute Dave for me too, haven’t heard from him in a while).
Rgds,
RR
Thanx for the replies. I’m still trying to figure out how these styles are different from Yip Man’s though. For example as i understand it, Pan Nam’s style is a lot more artistic, flowing, and circular(probably because it was relatively unchanged from its origins in Shaolin, it fits the charactieristic of a Shaolin art atleast. Also Pan nam was known for training in Hung Ga and Shaolin.) than Yip Man’s Wing Chun, which is more angular and simplified, really compact and linear (I’m most likely generalizing Yip Man Wing Chun but bear with me). Pan Nam also has its own set of Neigung if i remembered correctly which i never heard of Yip Man’s style having. I also remember reading that Pan Nam’s Wing Chun had a lot of dirty fighting techniques, mainly clawing, tearing, and ripping. They practice weight distribution, the centerline theory and movements differently. There are also no Pak Sao and surprisingly no Chi Sao. Punches come from the side of the chest and not the center. I think that they credit a Shaolin monk with the creation of Wing Chun and not Ng Mui. I believe they even had a name but i can’t remember it right now. Doesn’t mean either one is better just different. I guess it depends on your preferences or what you have access to.
I wrote my post on the wing chun that i practice when i was coming off of anethesia from getting my wisdom teeth pulled…i dont really know what i was thinking 
If anyone wants a really great book on different and rare types of Wing Chun, I recommend “Roots and Branches of Wing Tsun” by Leung Ting…He really did his homework in writing this book. It has the hand sets of many different lineages, including Pan Nam and Yiu Kay’s.
Anyways, keep it real.
Jesse
Really? IMO- you have to learn good defense first in order for your offense to flow. I do not mean that you will always defend
It is not a good defense if you are only content to foil the opponent’s attacks one after another. Good defense is to actively counter-attack. When your opponent has made a plan of attack, we must anticipate him by delivering your own attack first.
This is what I mean in my signature, “Attack is the secret of defense; defense is the planning of an attack”.
Pan Nam practiced Hung Ga (I think both Wong Fei-Hung and some village Hung) for the first part of his life, and I’ve heard he remained fond of it. He was introduced to WCK by Cheung Bo and ended up following Jiu Chao (Jiu Wan’s uncle, and a student of Chan Wah-Shun’s son, Chan Yiu-Min) to learn the system. Jiu Chao’s system was/is pretty similar to Yip Man’s (they even worked together on the Foshan constabulary). Later, Pan followed Lai Hip-Chi, one of Chan Wah-Shun’s final students (who’d also picked up some Weng Chun from the Lok Family, who’d learned from Dai Fa Min Kam), and also exchanged with Pak Cheung, a grand-student of Fung Siu-Ching. Pan learned Ng Jee Mui Fa Hei Gung (5 Petal Plum Flower Qigong) from Ng Man-Long. From this, he developed his own system, still within the WCK structure, but with the empasis on the Hei Gung and the other aspects he preferred.
They do clawing, etc. but so do other branches (many hide those kinds of movements, however, so they’re not as apparent)
There’s Chi Sao, but not the Luk Sao (Rolling Hands) platform (which is really only found in Yip Man and Yuen Kay-San WCK). They do Aat Yiu (Waist Pressing) and other two-person sensitivity drills. And I believe Pan’s centerline was from the shoulder, through the mid-clavicular, to the center, which is how some others do it as well.
According to Pan Nam and a writer named Law, Dai Fa Min Kam’s ancestral tablet in the Lok family temple stated that Wing Chun Kuen was founded by Yat Chum Um Jee (Convent Founder Speck of Dust) of Heng Mountain, Hunan province, based on Kam Gang Jeung (Diamond Palm), Tong Long (Mantis), Ying Jow (Eagle), Tai Gik (Taiji), and other arts, who taught Cheung Ng, the master of propers of the Kwan Si Opera Company, who later took the art to the Red Junk opera.
Pan sifu passed away in 1995 at around 84 years old. I had a chance to see him on video shot just before then and he was impressive (especially moving around a very long, maybe 12’ pole) even at that late stage of life.
Rgds,
RR