Qi-Qong and body lightening

OK

Chi has many definitions, not one. Before we explore them answer me this. Once the air is “injected” into the blood (as you put it), what makes the blood flow to the rest of the body? Let’s see if you can answer this and my next question.(I shouldn’t even have to ask. If you don’t know what my next question will be, just answer.)

BTW, I don’t have a problem grasping anything, just a slightly different perspective and I wanted to discuss, not debate. On one hand you seem to want to discuss this in terms of physicality and on the other hand you quote from the Tao to me. Chi is more than air. The Tao does say “gravity is the source of lightness” but please tell me where in the Tao Te Ching is root discussed..

Count

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Chi Kung International

While we wait for the answer(there might be more than one, count on it)…

It seems that this Tao Te Ghing was abot saying things so that an idea could be perceived. In a dream a mountain does not necessarily mean your going hiking…but see That’s why the mountain get across my point so well. Because things related to hiking also relate to what the dream might have been trying to convey. The mountain in the dream could be a situation. I’ll call it the situation of one’s life for example. There’s a back pack involved with climbing a mountain. And back packing and mountain climbing are very different at least in intensity, but for the sake of conveying an idea, don’t persue this discrepency~. Thank you, whatever you decide. The backpack in other dreams might be referred to as luggage–the mental trappings of Self which weighs one down as that one travels. However, as in a backpack the items in the luggage helpsone along that journey. Some weights are worth bearing…

Gravity, with mass refers to heaviness. Heaviness refers to lightness, in a polar way. Two sides of a gravity coin even though they are the same thing, merely different intensities. Rooting is deliberate, not moving. Lightness, here refers to nearly~ effortless movement. With the English thinking and my poet’s type liscence I as old Tzu might (also a poet-like, card holder, perhaps)have done. These are opposites or better, complimentary.

Chee (chi, ki, ch’i,qi.?.), is found in / gotten from breathing. It is not breath. Breath is inhale exhale. Breathing is the mechanics. Qi is the to the body, what conscienciousness is to the brain (mind to the brain). Please recall that I mentioned that I do have a poet-like card. Hopefully exhonerating me from all charges of, ~What the Fruit was that…What the Fruit is s/he saying there…What planet is s/he from…

Thank you for your tolerance. :slight_smile:

Very some such,perhaps might have been, likely say some, some not.

The Maze of Life

If you haven’t read the below text, its about time you do. Maybe it shall clear things up.

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One morning, a young man came to the Master saying, “Master, I wish to understand my path on earth better. I wish to know why it is that I seem to carry my past and re-live it again and again. Why is it that I cannot get past my past?”

The Master smiled at the young man who seemed to be earnestness itself. “Go forward into the Maze in the garden. But carry this backpack as you walk the maze. It will help you stay focused and balanced. Be careful as it is quite heavy though,” the Master said.

The young man took the backpack from the Master who handed it over quite easily. But when the young man had it firmly in his grasp he was astonished at how heavy it really was! Placing the shoulder straps over his arms and bent over from the sheer weight of the pack, he strode towards the Maze. He was surprised to see it was not a garden maze, but was built of silk panels that were nearly translucent.

The young man paused before entering the maze and then stood and walked into it. Immediately he found himself facing a solid wall of silk. However, he could see just enough through the silk to other areas of the maze to make out others there at the same time. He could “see” them and hear them but they were not part of his path.

The weight upon his shoulders reminded him of why he was there, so he put the thoughts of the others out of his head. Walking forward, he found himself hopelessly trapped. It seemed that no matter which direction he walked, there was no way to proceed forward. Baffled, the young man sat down and pondered his situation.

‘The Master told me to walk the maze but it seems unwalk-able. Yet, there are others here who are obviously ahead of me. They must have figured out a way to get through this section. How did they do that? Are they smarter than I am? Did they cheat? Did they crawl under the silk, as that would be really a simple matter and who would ever know?’

The young man weighed his options and then rose, deciding to not sneak under the silk. As he stood and turned, an opening appeared before him as though by magic and he moved forward.Soon, he faced another series of solid silk panels and could see no opening or direction to walk other than the one he had come from.

Again he sat down and thought of his situation. He had gotten through the first test he felt, by reflecting upon his options and then choosing to take the one that was for his highest good. Stating again his affirmation that he would desire to walk the maze only with positive intent he stood, ready to face his opening. But none was there. He still faced a blank series of panels.

The young man was baffled. He had felt that surely he would be rewarded as before for his desire to proceed only within his highest good.The weight of his backpack cut into his shoulders, bringing him sharply back to reality. What was it that weighed so much? What had the Master placed in it to weigh it down? Rocks? Bricks? It did not feel hard and unforgiving like those items, it felt soft yet heavy. What could possibly be soft and yielding yet heavy enough to weigh him down like this?

Pulling the backpack off of his shoulders, he opened it and peaked inside. ‘The Master did not tell to not look,’ he reasoned. It was EMPTY! Yet it had weight! ‘How could this be’, he wondered. Picking it back up, he again felt how heavy it was yet it was empty! Again he glanced inside and this time felt with his hands. Empty! But the weight!!!

Placing it upon his shoulders he stood. He asked himself what it was that he had just learned from this experience. He heard a voice clearly say, ‘Look inside of you, young man, for the weight lies there,’ he was told. As he walked he looked at his life and his path. He thought of his childhood and the friends and enemies who had caused him harm. He thought of how stuck he had been by their feelings of him, their attitudes towards him. He remembered how angry he was with one particular boy who had taunted him unmercifully. This boy was hated to this day by the young man. The pack became even heavier as the student re-created and re-lived the experience within his mind and heart.

‘Ahhhh. I understand now. I carry the weight of that which burdens me. I am the weight! I therefore have it within me to unburden myself as well.’ The student was joyous with this insight and then saw and walked his way through a series of panels of silk.

He thought of how he could unburden the weight of those he still despised and resented for their treatment of him. He knew that they were not there with him in the maze so he could not expect them to say, 'I am sorry" and thus lessen the weight and allow him to go forward easily.

"I forgive you, wherever you are,’ he found himself saying to his own amazement. The weight of the pack lessened immediately and he was able to walk without bending forward at the waist. ‘Ah ha!’ the young one exclaimed. ‘Through my intent to forgive, I unburden myself of this weight which hinders my journey. But how can this be? For they were the ones who wronged me. Yet my forgiving of them unweights me?’ The young one’s head swum with the implications. And another series of openings appeared before him in the panels of silk. His pack was considerably lighter, but still weighed enough for his mind to stay focused upon it.

‘Oh, Great Spirit, I ask you to help me see what it is that you are showing me here. How do I make my way through this maze? How do I release myself of the full weight that I carry with me?’ It was at that moment that a beam of sunlight hit him squarely in the face, warming him.

He suddenly realized that his pack had lightened again with the warmth of the sun! ‘What does this mean, God? Why do you lighten my pack with sunlight? What are you showing me?’

It was then that he found himself re-membering a “woman” that he had kissed when he was thirteen. It was his first kiss of adulthood and he remembered her clearly. His heart raced with the remembrance of her taste upon his lips and his love for her. His pack lightened considerably this time.

‘Thank you God for your considerable wisdom in this. I see now how I am to unburden myself completely. It is through my loving AND forgiving those who have been in my way and have wronged me previously. It is not their wronging of me that has hindered me. It is my holding on to that wronging that has stopped me. By seeing myself as one who has been wronged, I could not go forward in the maze. And by seeing myself as one who was without love, I could not lessen the weight of the pack. As I forgive and bring love within me, I make my journey easier.’

The young man felt his heart swell in size as he felt these insights. He felt his heart race with joy, as it knew its lesson to him was being heard.

The pack weighed nothing now and the young man took it off and held it lightly in his hands. He stood before a solid silk wall now and could see neither an opening nor his way to where he had just come from. He was surrounded by solid silk!

However, instead of panicking, he sat and breathed in this mantra:

“I Am the light and the Way. I carry within me all manner of healing and knowing. It is through this healing and knowing that I make my way through this earthly maze. I am able to carry forth of the journey through this maze and I am able to release my entrapment. I alone have the ability to solve this riddle and I ask now to have it done. I breathe in full acceptance of my path and its possibilities, God. I recognize that I was the impediment, not anyone or anything else. I am LIGHT and I am LOVE. Thus being so FREES me and allows me to soar above the physical realm. In this I re-discover myself which is my True Self, God. Thank you for helping me to see this. I so love you.”

At this, the young man felt his feet rise slightly above the earth! He floated above the silk panels and could clearly see the others stuck within the maze. Their darknesses were carried around in their own packs and held them stuck. His head swum with the implications of what was happening to him at that moment. But he focused not on that, but on the fact that he was flying! He was soaring! He was above the earth in his lightness! He was outside of the Maze!

Spying the ground around the maze, he thought of being there and staying outside of the maze. And at once, he was. By thinking it and seeing it, it became. The Master was at his side as he touched down.

“Master, thank you for placing my weight so severely upon my shoulders as you did. Were it not so heavy, I would have gladly carried it longer and longer for it would have not hindered me all that much. But as it weighed me down so greatly, I had to get rid of the weight first before I could do anything else.”

“How did you free yourself of your weight, my son?” the Master asked. His face was alight with joy and love as he did so. " I found myself forgiving those who had wronged me, Master. It was my pain in response to their actions that made me hold on to the pain inside of myself. When I let it go, Master, I watched it soar away from me and felt myself growing lighter." The student’s face shone with love as he spoke.

“Ah,” said the Master. “And what of the maze itself? That is impossible to walk through. There is no way out.” "Oh, Master. The most beautiful thing happened. I began to fly after losing the weight. I saw myself as light and love itself as I found it within me to forgive and forget those that had harmed me, had wronged me. It was my darkness that had caused my weight and it was my lightness that freed me to fly.

By BEING light and love, I floated, Master and found myself outside of the maze. I was freed from its confines; above its entrapments. Master, I see now that I cause my own weight, that hold me down. That I keep me trapped in my past. That I, alone, am responsible for the manner in which I walk this maze.

By releasing those entrapping thoughts, those weighting down feelings and allowing me to feel love and light, I soared above it all. Did I do wrong by getting out of the maze in this way, Master?" The young man was earnestness itself as he awaited the Master’s answer.

“What do YOU feel, young one?” the Master answered with a smile. “Do YOU feel freed from the Maze?”

With that, the Master strode away before hearing the young one’s reply. He knew that whatever the young one answered would give him further insight as to his own journey.

And this is as it should be.
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Freedom is what you do with what is done to you. - Sartres

hmmm… I feel better

For a minnute I thought I was being beaten up by a pro. It makes me happy to know that you were testing me, not putting me down. We all have our self-esteem to deal with. Thanks, count.

Let’s see…
What makes the blood flow, and the next question. I suppose we have to end up with the heart, and how does that beat (nervous impulses sent through the bundle of his and sinoatrial and atriventricular nodes, blah, blah). It all must come from the brain, and why does that work at all.. etc, etc. I can only think you must be getting at what makes us go in the first place. Why exist. Maybe you’ll have to answer the questions from now on. I don’t know.
Physicallity and “other” – I’m not sure that they’re so unrelated as to have two seperate categories. Chi isn’t limited to either, and I’m sure you must see I haven’t got a handle on what it is. At my best moments, I feel like that’s the best path to understanding it anyway.
If approaching it from a physical standpoint is off, maybe you can tell me about your path. I’ve always believed that all wisdom can be reached personally, without the aid of reference to anything but reality. IN other words, if the idea is “true” (and oh sweet love, let’s not get into what that means), you should be able to reach it on your own, instead of reading it in a book. Then you see the book, and suddenly everything is reinforced. I’ll have to write more later - time to go to class. I can’t wait to see where this is going…!
M

Not at all polygon360…

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=“-1”>quote:</font><HR> For a minnute I thought I was being beaten up by a pro. It makes me happy to know that you were testing me, not putting me down. We all have our self-esteem to deal with. Thanks, count. [/quote]

Actually, there are many here with a great deal of experience who can not define chi as easily as you did. I wouldn’t expect you to have the answers after 2 years of practice either. You should be just finding your root. I think your making an oversimplification to say that chi is one thing, the breath. Here is something from our website you may find interesting

"<font face=“Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular”>The idea of Chi is fundamental to Chinese Kung Fu and Medical thinking. However, because of its new arrival, the English language has yet to formulate a word or phrase that can adequately define its meaning. We do know that Chi is not some changeless, perpetual substance everything in the universe is composed of and defined by. Nor is it the proverbial “natural force” or “vi tal energy force”, for, although it is occasionally translated in that way, traditional Chinese thought does not distinguish between matter and energy. Perhaps we could say that it is energy at the point of materializing? Unfortunately, neither classical (the Wong Di Nei Jing) nor contemporary (the Shanghai Journal of Traditional Chinese Medicine) medical text attempts to describe the nature of Chi as a concept. Instead, they define or perceive Chi functionally by what it does in our bodies.</font></p>
<font face=“Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular”>The Chinese medical texts describe Chi manifesting from three sources.The first is called “Prenatal Chi”, which is transmitted from parents to their children at conception and is sto red in the Kidneys. This explains why children inherit their parent’s constitution. The second is “Earth Chi”, which comes from the foods we eat. The third is “Heavenly Chi”, and is extracted from the air we breathe. These form the Chi that permeates our entire body. Chinese medical texts also describe Chi as having several variant aspects and functions. Within the body, Chi possesses five major functions responsible for the soundness of our bodies.</font></p>

<font face=“Arial,Helve tica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular”>Chi is the source of all movement, voluntary and involuntary, whether walking, thinking or aging, all depends on Chi. It is inseparable from movement and grows with it. Chi protects our bodies from the environment. Hosti le influences such as illness are resisted. Chi controls change within our bodies, such as digesting foods into blood, saliva, sweat, and bile. Chi keeps things inside our bodies where they belong. Organs from sagging, fluids remaining in their place, and prevents loss. Chi warms the body. If you doubt this, just touch a dead one.</font></p>

<font face=“Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular”>Chi also has five primary types associated with specific actions within our bodies:</font></p>
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  • <font face=“Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular”>Organ Chi - Chinese Medicine states that every organ has the same Chi, yet each performs differently depending on the nature of its Chi.</font>
  • <font face=“Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular”>Meridian Chi - Meridians are the pathways through which Chi travels to the various body parts adjusting and balancing their activities.</font>
  • <font face=“Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular”>Nutritive Chi - This Chi is associated with our blood. It travels within our bloodstream transforming nutrients from our foods.</font>
  • <font face=“Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular”>Protective Chi - This yang Chi regulates our immune system aiding in combating illness and disease.</font>
  • <font face=“Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular”>Ancestral Chi - This Chi’s function is to regulate our breathing and heart rate.</font>
    [/list]

    <font face=“Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSa ns-Regular”>Remember to keep in mind that this is merely an introduction to the concept and nature of Chi and its relationship to the body. Chinese medical theory does not move in a linear fashion like in the West. The whole is always present and is refined with learning over time.</font></p>"

    Count

    Kabooom.com

    Chi Kung International

    [This message was edited by count on 07-17-01 at 07:00 AM.]

  • BTW, Polygon360

    I wish you would teach my daughter that trick of walking across a mopped floor without leaving footprints. Never fails that the minute I get through mopping, there she is tracking it up.
    :smiley:

    Count

    Kabooom.com

    Chi Kung International

    Wow. You’ve got a daughter. Does she do Kung Fu too? You can tell her I perfetcted my floor walk while working late shifts at a restaurant. No matter how long you wait to mop, someone will be there to walk over it. May as well not be part of the problem, and it was a great opportunity for practice. I’m close to 200 lbs, so it must count for something!
    I’m going to start thinking more intently about chi, using your post as a starting point. Thanks fo rthe great info. I’ll check out your site.
    M

    That’s it!

    I will make her mop the floor from now on and maybe she will learn. I won’t let her come to class with me yet. At 11 I think she would get bored with kung fu. She is however, working on her green belt in TKD and I told her if she makes it to black I will take her to my teacher.

    You are welcome for the info and yes, it is only a starting point. Keep breathing and practicing and you will discover what you need on your own.

    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=“-1”>quote:</font><HR>Rooting is deliberate, not moving. [/quote]

    No_Know,

    If your rooting isn’t moving, what good does it do you? (Unless you are a tree) Even than, things like water, food and energy move up the root of the tree. So it is still on the outside and moving on the inside. I think there are always more questions than answers. Luckily, some answers resolve many questions.
    Count IS on it!w

    Count

    Kabooom.com

    Chi Kung International

    Thanks Alot Pologyon360

    but could you be more explainitory. I read the I Ching to at least alittle every week. but could you explain extactly what how you pratice what you do.???

    Andre Lashley