In America, that’s what one has to be prepared for.
was obviously a dig at Jon coz he is from australia and you teaching in America is oh so tough etc. :rolleyes:
dawood
HKV, I used to think you of you as someone that trained hard and tried to make all facets of his martial art work. You seemed like a realist and a traditionalist, which was cool. The more you have posted lately though, the more you keep putting a very self centered tone to your stuff, and acting like you are tough…One thing I think most higher level martial artists have taught their students is some version of the saying “dont ever understimate anyone” or even “every dog has his day”. Heck..even a very old Choy Lai Fut master told his students recently “dont ever underestimate someone that does Tai Chi, most of them cant use it to fight, but some of them are some of the most dangerous people you will ever meet, and you would never know until you crossed hands with one of them”. Soooo…why dont you tone it down and show respect for others, or are you really so convinced that you and EVEN YOUR STUDENTS could take anyone they are going to run into anywhere at anytime? I dont get it.
“We do FREE push hands.”
- So there is no fixed step push hands taught in your school?
If not how do you get your students to a level to understand free push hands?
“That includes groundfighting and multiple opponents.”
- Very interesting, how exactly do you encorporate multiple opponents into push hands considering that staying in contact with your partner is a fundamental part of the excercise?
I would also be curious how exactly you encorporate groundfighting into push hands. To me they would seem like two totaly different things. We wrestle in my school but we dont ‘push hands’ on the ground?
“In America, that’s what one has to be prepared for.”
- I dont think we are talking about what you need to prepare for on the street. I also dont really care for your elitist attitude and obvious misunderstanding of the subject matter.
Perhaps you could keep your racism and frantic posturing to yourself?
Me like HKV the more he posts the more it becomes obvious that he knows nothing.
“Free push hands, groundfighting and multiple opponents”
OMG :rolleyes:
HKV.
Next time before you try to troll us to atleast a weenie bit of research into the styles and correct terminology before you try to pass yourself as someone skilled and knowledgeable.
Seeya.
LOL 
I do push hands using punching bags. Sometimes even multiple punching bags. And I use as much tension as I can
Freestyle push-hands with foot-sweeps is a cool training-method. I did sum yesterday with an old student from my old Tai Chi class. I recommend it.
(in reality it started as ordinary fixed PH, but it grew more intense, and became freestyle, lol;))
Laughing Cow, you’ve GOT to meet us.
You do kung fu. Test our Tai Chi in a combat situation.
Need contact info? Send friends over if you have any out here.
Golden Arms, I come out of an authentic Neijiagong tradition.
In our tradition, people are welcome to try hands. Clearly you haven’t trained this way because you automatically assumed that it had to be unfriendly. Neither me nor my teachers were afraid of showing others what we had in a match, friendly or otherwise.
The way it works in old Chinese kung fu traditions is that if somebody wants to talk smack about somebody else, he’s got to walk the talk. The Taiwanese say “Kong buh loy yeung”, which means “Talk doesn’t mean squat”.
So come one, come all. My door is an open one, try the hands of myself or my students. Don’t be afraid, we don’t bite.
HKV, nah..its not like that at all..My school even had open nights for anyone to come in and try our students one on one..and we still take any walk in challenges, but we dont go LOOKING for fights..why bother? If we trained any more traditionally, we would have to move back to Toisan. And if you think that you are unhurtable because of iron jacket, or golden bell practice, then why dont you have any respect for the techniques designed to break them? To each their own.
Originally posted by HuangKaiVun
[B]Laughing Cow, you’ve GOT to meet us.
You do kung fu. Test our Tai Chi in a combat situation.
Need contact info? Send friends over if you have any out here. [/B]
Naah, I give it a skip.
What you described is more like San Shou than Tui Shou. 
As a matter of fact I am studying T’ai Ji at the moment.
How many hours a day do your students spend in Zhang Zhuang?
Most traditional kwoons ask for atleast 1hr every day for 2~3yrs.
How much time is spend on San Chu Jin?
Don’t need contact info, you posted your details plenty enough.
If I get to over to the states and your region I might check your Kwoon out.
Seeya.
Yes, we do things a bit differently Laughing Cow.
We do what we feel is enough to make us into competent streetfighters. It probably doesn’t match up with what you have been taught, but that doesn’t preclude it from working either.
So yes, do come by. Test our Tai Chi in a combat situation against us. You’ve trained enough to know that it DEFINITELY won’t be violent (or so I’m led to believe). If we have something to learn from you, we’d love to see.
As long as you show up and say “hello”, we can discuss this in person via words and hands.
Once again Golden Arms, you misunderstand me.
I have GREAT respect for the techniques that break Golden Bell and other Iron Shirt techniques. We train them day in and day out, for your information.
I’ve been dissed all my life, and the only thing that stops that is an all-out call to arms. I’ve fought my share of battles, so I know which fights to do and which fights to avoid.
Like it or not, standing up to bullies (especially when you’re a little Chinese guy like me) is the only way to get them off you. The more you back off, the more they ATTACK.
And that’s what’s been happening here.
HKV.
Sorry, too much water between you and me to pop in for a visit.
I am not doubting that you and your guys can fight, OTOH, I have some questions in my mind how you can produce competent fighters in TJQ in such a short time and with what seems to me a lack of TJQ training methods or required times to develop the essentials of TJQ.
Cheers.
Jon: I have just begun push hands training. It is structured completly right now. Its a simple sequence of ward off, rollback, press, push… repeat.. Or something like that. Maybe an extra ward off orwhatnot.
i think sensitivity training is excellent and made me re-think how to apply the skill i know a lot 
dawood
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If you live in San Jose CA, and are interested in push hands, or know push hands you are welcomed to a small practice group that gets together on Saturday mornings.
The goal of the group is to explore, examine and refine taiji principles and practice though the medium of push hands.
For more info e-mail or pm.
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Any one interested in some push hand practice and live in the San Jose area. Pm or email maybe we can set something up, sat_day mornings.
david
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For those interested in push hands practice, I have some time in the mornings during the week. If your in the SF area close to golden gate park pm or e-mail.
david
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Hi
I have a question concerning Push Hands.
One of my Si Fu taught me this method of push hands, I do believe it has Come from the Yang family style. He told me it was the old method. I could understand this as he trained in the Small cicle Yang. How ever he also trained in Song Shanxi Xing Yi and Chinese wrestling. So I not sure if it is something he added himself or maybe was something unique to his family as all the generations I do believe were Tai Chi, & Xing Yi pratictioners, as I have never come across this method before or since, It leaves a big question mark above my head.
The method is the same as the normal push hands except I can only but decribe it as earth range (Close). when learning the feet are parallel when your opponent trys to take you to a float position you streach the body right up to heaven and twist useing maximun waist rotation to hold centre, which creates full spiral through the body, then come back to the press etc. This method in looks can be desribed as played on a vertical plan rather than a horizontal.
As this method is so close it really does create powerful central energy to be able to play close range weapons. What I found was that you create powerful dan tien energy overwise you can’t do this. So when learning you really ach in the guts this is what he refered to as visible power then after years of practice the visible become invisible the power stays but the movment become natural (refined)
he said this was the old method that was extremally rare. As it really does create center energetics. I have no problem practicing this method as I have achieved the results and found the power generation incredably.
However I was wondering if any one has any info on this or has even seen or heard of this method before because like I said i haven’t. I would love to here about Any info at all. I would really appretiate it and thanks for your time.
We have done a (freestyle) push hands drill which differs from the normal ‘bow/arrow stance facing each other’ drill in that you’re stood in a wu wei? stance (feet parallell, shoulder width), which is possibly a bit more representative of the stance you might be stood in when utilising your push hand skills in a real situation.
Hope that makes sense, just got back form our extended lunch / christmas p!ss up session.
push hands
This is my first post here. i am relatively new to the chinese arts ( bb in tkd ) and i
am very intested in taiji especially push hands. these techniques seemed
streetworthy and looked like something i could add to my arsenal. also i know i
really should try to find an instructor somewhere but there seem to be none in my
area so does anyone think it is possible to get the basics and learn enough to be
proficient at pushing through videos and books?
thanx.
alec
Well, you at least need a training partner! 
Seriously, you have to have someone who knows pushing hands well teach you. there is just too much going on to reproduce it on your own. I don’t believe it’s possible.